borofan
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Post by borofan on Feb 23, 2019 12:07:14 GMT
Sorry if this has been asked before but is there a list of current RAF/Cashback offers anywhere?
And what do people think in general of P2P sites that offer free money? Is it a bad sign?
Assetz's seem to be offering a load of money recently.
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Post by pmjenkins on Feb 23, 2019 14:31:55 GMT
Don't know how up to date these are:-
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Post by michaelc on Feb 23, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
Offers only available to the air force ? Sounds a bit niche to me. As for offers generally that's an interesting question. Isn't there always an imbalance between supply and demand (lenders and borrowers) ? If it tips too far one way we get cash drag and presumably the platform hits on the brokers to bring in more business and if it goes the other way they start a load of promotions to bring in more cash. So I think in that sense its normal. Obviously if the scales tip too far in one direction or another that's not a good sign but I think a promo just tells us in what direction they are tipped not by how much.
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Post by amwinv on Feb 23, 2019 19:47:42 GMT
And what do people think in general of P2P sites that offer free money? Is it a bad sign?
I'm generally a subscriber to the "if it sounds good to be true it probably is".
Furthermore, it exemplifies the point I always make of P2P attracting "the wrong sort".
P2P is extremely high-risk. It is not suitable for everyone and it almost certainly isn't suitable for someone who needs an offer of free money to convince them.
This sort of thing also exmplifies what I always say about the shoddy behaviour of P2P platforms.
Its like the CFD day-trading platforms that used to offer sign-up bonuses before the FCA started clamping down on it. The sort of people that attracted were not the sort of people that should have been trading CFDs in the first place.
I just switched my bank account to hsbc and got paid a free £175. Referred my partner to switch her account to Nationwide and we both got £100 each. That's with standard fscs protected bank accounts. Cash incentivised joining bonus' arent always the devil's work. Sometimes it's just easier to use your marketing budget paying the customers directly, as word of mouth recommendations like that is waaaaay cheaper than billboards and internet/magazine ads.
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Post by amwinv on Feb 23, 2019 21:18:29 GMT
I'm not sure how. If you say "if it sounds good to be true it probably is", then anyone giving you up to £200 for very little effort is definitely in that category. I dont think p2p cashback itself is instantly a sign of danger. Although of course sometimes it can be a warning sign.
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Post by aju on Feb 24, 2019 8:50:13 GMT
amwinv Not sure of your misunderstanding of my original post is deliberate or accidental ? If the latter I would invite you to re-read my original post. If the former then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I made my point perfectly clearly originally, so its one or the other if you're talking about 'signs of danger' because that's not remotely what I was saying. I get your point and I agree but I wonder how you split that risk further in that some P2P is riskier than others. Personally i stick to Zopa and more recently RS but I have never been near the Collateral's of this arena. Just curious if you have a risk view across the platform types that is wider than jvery risky.
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Post by aju on Feb 24, 2019 10:18:09 GMT
I agree with most that and to a certain extent I've only ever been interested in making sure our nest egg is safe for as long as is possible and so I start from a very low risk position of making sure we keep inflation tax at bay and if we can get a couple of points on top then great To be honest P2P is our riskiest asset but I made sure that in Zopa, some years ago now, that I started off very light touch, £10 then £100 then just play for a very long period. Its fair to say that at that time we were getting very good returns from the current accounts and as a result had 10's of them across both of us. It was a bit of a faf at times but we were increasing our lot and bettering inflation. We didn't even bother with reg savings at that time.
Even when I left my employer on a kings shilling deal + gold standard pension (some people call it this and its good but its not a big as the press sometimes make out) we always worked with the premise if I don't understand it then we should stay well clear. Ok I did make a stupid stoozing decision with Kaupthung and a credit card transfer when 2 months later the crash made things slight sweaty but we eventually got a let off. Over the years since all that we increased our lot in Zopa under the SG and things were good never as you say being too greedy.
Recently we have lost most of our current account savings, Tesco withdrew their savings account that allowed one to have multiple DD's to cover the main banks conditions, the interest rates fell too and other stuff. We made a considerable amount of money from most of these though, especially the Halifax £5 deal that just seemed to run and run. We finally took the plunge to move our, frankly useless, Isa rates into the Zopa Isa but with a view to keep the diversification of loans to <1% ( the jury is still out whether this method is useful and it does mean that lump sums take a lot longer to be lent out).
At the moment we are running down our non ISA's in Zopa and relending into Mrs Aju's RS at rates that we are selecting manually. We will soon be at a level where I am not comfortable with the amounts in P2p and we will run it down into something like Marcus say. That's not ideal as its an increase in the Inflation tax effect but it is safe none the less.
We have some shares but most are not that great in terms of Capital value but they are well performing in terms of dividend returns so we are happy with those.
I'm not sure if we would pass standard FCS criteria for P2p if the proposals go through but we do have a few years in p2p to at realise it's not safe and our capital is at risk. All that aside we are lucky I guess in that we are getting 4-5% returns even though the defaults are coming in more wildly. I suspect it's that the larger sums and the increase loan numbers though and our XIRR's are looking sound this year even if slightly down on previous years.
I'm not sure any of this counts for adequate understanding and the £10 loans method we used on Zopa has a couple of years to run before it will fully pan out. The main thing worrying me at the moment is this "damned EU thing" and how our borrowers may be affected.
I've wittered on a bit and Mrs Aju says I have to get up and get the papers before we can watch Mr Marr get few answers from the people he interviews these days.
Edit: Some grammar and words were amended to improve context - bad typing skills etc ;-)
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Post by lotus_eater on Feb 25, 2019 17:21:01 GMT
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Post by borofan on Feb 26, 2019 11:52:54 GMT
Thanks for the replies.
I always look to current account switch and first year high percentage offers before P2P. But when you have a few grand it's difficult to find a home for all of it that pays more than 1.5%.
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Post by aju on Feb 26, 2019 15:07:43 GMT
Thanks for the replies. I always look to current account switch and first year high percentage offers before P2P. But when you have a few grand it's difficult to find a home for all of it that pays more than 1.5%. I definitely can relate to this effect but If you are thinking of punting on the P2P and looking at RS it will be worth noting that their £100 for newcomers finished on the 21st Feb, unless they have since extended it, web site says not but who knows. You can still get £50 if you recommend someone else.(Mrs Aju invested 1st and then recommended me so we both will get the £100 in a year and she got her £50 within 30 days for recommending me). So overall its a case of £250 for investing £2000 between us. We are in the 5Y but in year 1 we will at least have made a good return. At present RS is giving >6.3% on the 5yr for those that want to define their own rates, Sundays is best day in my limited experience so far.
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