agent69
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Post by agent69 on Apr 2, 2019 13:36:19 GMT
"Peer-to-peer investments are "high risk" the Financial Conduct Authority is warning.
It's just issued a notice highlighting that Innovative Finance ISAs that put investors' money into products like mini-bonds or peer-2-peer investments may not be protected by the compensation scheme.
The FCA says IFISAs are sometimes marketed alongside cash ISAs but offer investors much less protection. The warning comes in the wake of the collapse of London Capital & Finance, which marketed mini-bonds as IFISAs."
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Post by Monetus on Apr 2, 2019 14:11:14 GMT
Thanks to the FCA for the heads up
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2019 15:59:13 GMT
P2P industry not happy about FCA comments, see here
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Post by benaj on Apr 2, 2019 16:10:36 GMT
I can imagine some people might think a standard p2p investment account is safer than a tax free IFISA.
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Post by arby on Apr 2, 2019 18:37:11 GMT
Think of the number of complaints that have been made to the financial ombudsman about p2p investments, just from members of this forum. While some complaints have clear merit, what the regulator sees most clearly is "these investments aren't for all investors" and communicate accordingly.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2019 19:07:56 GMT
Think of the number of complaints that have been made to the financial ombudsman about p2p investments, just from members of this forum. While some complaints have clear merit, what the regulator sees most clearly is "these investments aren't for all investors" and communicate accordingly. The ombudsman will know (s)he's receiving a biased view, as P2P lenders who are happy with their lending won't be making contact.
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Post by gravitykillz on Apr 2, 2019 19:32:27 GMT
Yes but p2p lenders have not yet gone through a recession. We dont yet know what effect a bad economy will have on p2p lending. And right now we have far too many p2p lenders most of these will not survive a prolonged recession.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 2, 2019 20:07:05 GMT
Yes but p2p lenders have not yet gone through a recession. We dont yet know what effect a bad economy will have on p2p lending. And right now we have far too many p2p lenders most of these will not survive a prolonged recession. Apart from Zopa lenders/platform 2008/09.
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Post by sarahcount on Apr 2, 2019 20:24:05 GMT
Investors being steered away from P2P makes it tougher for platforms to fill loans and make money.
That in turn increases the risks of platforms folding which won't do investors any favours as anyone with money tied up in Collateral will tell you.
I've just had a repayment in full from a completed FS development project (yes it does happen) but rather than getting ready to plough funds into a new ISA the money has been used to part repay my mortgage.
I still have platforms that I like and self-select loans that I'm pleased to hold - but in these uncertain times I'm taking things more cautiously.
I also wasn't too keen on being told that I might be sued personally for £14 million because I lent someone a pound. While that case might be exceptional and it seems the platform concerned has thrown their best lawyers onto the case and closed the door on such a fanciful claim it's all extra worry that I don't need.
Whether the regulator issuing warnings is good or bad for investors overall it's hard to say - but they've already too late to wake up to this corner of the financial services and I've already submitted my claim for eventual compensation as a result of their incompetence in stating on their official Register that Collateral were authorised when they weren't.
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Post by df on Apr 2, 2019 21:11:59 GMT
FCA seems to be always ahead of the game - in this case, authorising p2p IFISAs first and warning about them later.
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Post by mjc on Apr 2, 2019 22:57:47 GMT
Yes but p2p lenders have not yet gone through a recession. We dont yet know what effect a bad economy will have on p2p lending. And right now we have far too many p2p lenders most of these will not survive a prolonged recession. There will be a big difference in how platforms fare in a recession, those with realistic valuations and proper recovery procedures, or those perhaps on btl lending with adequate rental cover, should be able to weather the storm. Early exiting is another matter, that may be the first casualty. Do FCA or a n other publish complaints/per client ratios to compare platforms? They certainly should. Edit www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/investing-innovative-finance-isasI see they say “consider where where they are invested”. Is that for real? how many typical ISA/IFISA investors know/care where they are invested, far too many conflate FCA with FSCS cover despite the near ubiquitous risk warning. Might be better to simply say “if it pays over 5% it high risk, if over 8% it’s very high risk, if it’s over 11% it’s pure gambling.”
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