james21
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Post by james21 on May 1, 2019 18:50:52 GMT
Thank you; this godnubis chap now blocked, good riddance
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on May 1, 2019 19:35:49 GMT
I truly can't fathom how some people think. You are criticising FS because they are paying you 8% annual interest for longer than they could have otherwise done? "Guilty as charged. For shame!" laughable. Only if FS pay interest only for the original 6 month term would you have any cause for complaint. Good grief man! You and godanubis are quite the little FS apologists arent you? Give me/us a break. I have no personal knowledge of “Arby’s “ investments but on reading his posts re FS he appears to have as I have made investments based on a lot of actual work. With over half a million in P2P I don’t take a lax attitude as to where I invest. It is not easy that is why only the astute make good returns. Like in most things where you see someone making a fortune it is nice to think you can do the same. Unless you give the time and commitment they give you can’t. instead of moaning listen to those that have researched the flaws of each platform and formulate a strategy that takes these into consideration. That way you can relax as you know you have the best chance to capitalise on your research.
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Post by 09dolphin on May 1, 2019 20:13:52 GMT
Using the same rational you are employed by FS to deflect criticism of a P2P site that can't cope with it's actions being criticised Oh my goodness. Seriously? That was the exact point I was making. That stupid assumptions get people nowhere. And then you replied with one. Of course I know he or she is not from a rival site, but I'm not convinced that all the people claiming any positive messages are secretly posted by FS are being sarcastic. Good to know that you acknowledge that you posted a "stupid assumption" and that your post saying they were probably employed by a rival P2P site were totally untrue. I hope you will now publish an apology to the person you criticised as it's the least you can do for libeling them. Obviously future comments you chose to make influence others by the knowledge that you lie.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on May 1, 2019 20:34:48 GMT
Thank you; this godnubis chap now blocked, good riddance Another snowflake melted !
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Post by 09dolphin on May 1, 2019 20:36:31 GMT
Oh my goodness. Seriously? That was the exact point I was making. That stupid assumptions get people nowhere. And then you replied with one. Of course I know he or she is not from a rival site, but I'm not convinced that all the people claiming any positive messages are secretly posted by FS are being sarcastic. Good to know that you acknowledge that you posted a "stupid assumption" and that your post saying they were probably employed by a rival P2P site were totally untrue. I hope you will now publish an apology to the person you criticised as it's the least you can do for libeling them. Obviously future comments you chose to make will influence others by the knowledge that you lie.
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Post by arby on May 1, 2019 20:43:57 GMT
Good to know that you acknowledge that you posted a "stupid assumption" and that your post saying they were probably employed by a rival P2P site were totally untrue. I hope you will now publish an apology to the person you criticised as it's the least you can do for libeling them. Obviously future comments you chose to make will influence others by the knowledge that you lie. So, to clarify, someone claims that a user that predominantly posts a positive view of FS should be dismissed because "he is FS". I reply and state that by following his logic he must be from a rival p2p site because he posts with a generally negative view. I then make a startling admission that it was said to emphasise a point, rather than I seriously believe he works for a rival p2p site. You then claim this is proof that I'm a liar and I should apologise for libelling someone. Is that about the gist of it? 😂
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on May 1, 2019 20:49:20 GMT
So, to clarify, a someone claims that a user that predominantly posts a positive view of FS should be dismissed because "he is FS". I reply and state that by following his logic he must be from a rival p2p site because he posts with a generally negative view. I then make a startling admission that it was said to emphasise a point, rather than I seriously believe he works for a rival p2p site. You then claim this is proof that I'm a liar and I should apologise for libelling someone. Is that about the gist of it? 😂 Don’t stress too much it is just gives the collective FS hating Kabal the opportunity to like each other’s posts. It makes the poor souls feel better about the baseless posts they make. They never let the lack of proof stand in the way of a unsubstantiated post.
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arby
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Post by arby on May 2, 2019 10:08:00 GMT
I truly can't fathom how some people think. You are criticising FS because they are paying you 8% annual interest for longer than they could have otherwise done? "Guilty as charged. For shame!" laughable. Only if FS pay interest only for the original 6 month term would you have any cause for complaint. Good grief man! You and godanubis are quite the little FS apologists arent you? Give me/us a break. Not criticising FS on their supposed poor treatment of their lenders for committing to pay a shortfall on a loan from their own pocket classes me as an FS apologist? Bonkers.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on May 2, 2019 10:12:37 GMT
absolutely - and my strategy is to validate the P2P loan book performance before ploughing serious sums any of their loans. In the case of FS I currently have the odd fun punt and that's it until I see a big improvement in their loan returns - not least until we see what happens with the art loans. I haven't got £0.5m cash and if I had FS is the LAST place I would put it. Tell you what I would do with such a sum - track the FS property loans that go belly-up and buy them at bargain basement prices - I think we have seen some very smart developers already do this - not least the chap or chappesse who bought Whitehaven. Even if the property market turns down then the property still retains some value in the short term - hopefully unlike my art and a few other loans which look like a 100% loss to me...just my opinion. As I previously said property here is cheap flats <£10000 and lots giving >40% ROI annually The art loans were fraudulent there will always be some nefarious borrowers. Even without being a freak you can count on the fingers of 1 hand the number of loans where no recovery has been made. Not all my dosh is In P2P. It is however the vector that returns the most that can be tax free. It is difficult to not pay tax on large profits elsewhere that one thing alone greatly enhances the effective return and makes FS viable even after the as yet small confirmed losses. .
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Post by song on May 2, 2019 10:42:43 GMT
Good grief man! You and godanubis are quite the little FS apologists arent you? Give me/us a break instead of moaning listen to those that have researched the flaws of each platform and formulate a strategy that takes these into consideration. How does one formulate a strategy for the flaw of being economic with the truth.
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Post by arby on May 2, 2019 11:44:39 GMT
Not criticising FS on their supposed poor treatment of their lenders for committing to pay a shortfall on a loan from their own pocket classes me as an FS apologist? Bonkers. No, of course not. Dont be so deliberately asinine. Its the culmination of all your FS-related posts. Obviously. My posts regularly say that FS make mistakes and that I'm sure a lot of people will lose money. They also say that lots of people will and are making money. Too many people came into p2p assuming it was risk free return. I have made some individual losses with FS. I don't whine because I weighed up those risks and accepted them before I signed up. When people are so focussed on only seeing a negative view then a balanced view can appear unduly positive.
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Post by pip on May 2, 2019 12:28:06 GMT
I have no personal knowledge of “Arby’s “ investments but on reading his posts re FS he appears to have as I have made investments based on a lot of actual work. With over half a million in P2P I don’t take a lax attitude as to where I invest. It is not easy that is why only the astute make good returns. Like in most things where you see someone making a fortune it is nice to think you can do the same. Unless you give the time and commitment they give you can’t. instead of moaning listen to those that have researched the flaws of each platform and formulate a strategy that takes these into consideration. That way you can relax as you know you have the best chance to capitalise on your research. Still stroking that ego eh Gob Anubis? The lack of self awareness is cringeworthy. (The fact youd call your avatar after a god is just priceless) Dllive: Don't let him get to you. The % he quotes are either wrong factually or using seriously dodgy accounting. He definitely is recognising accumulated interest up front, and not making any provisions for losses on loans which even the loan comments indicate there is little to no chance of recovery. Definitely not prudent in my book. He then claims that anybody who has lost money is a fool for not being diversified enough, despite me telling him countless times that diversification doesn't help when well over half the loan book is defaulted or in forbearance. In short he is a charlatan. I am not sure of his motives, I will leave that to your imagination. What is for sure is that he continues to spout out his rubbish despite consistently being called out.
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Post by iRobot on May 2, 2019 13:39:47 GMT
instead of moaning listen to those that have researched the flaws of each platform and formulate a strategy that takes these into consideration. How does one formulate a strategy for the flaw of being economic with the truth. You can't, not 100%. And remember what the good Dr. House was fond of saying: " Everybody lies." Whether that's borrowers acting fraudulently or platforms 'lying through omission'. (“ The slickest way in the world to lie is to tell the right amount of truth at the right time-and then shut up.” -- Heinlein) What an investor can do is try to mitigate the impact of that eventuality (it's not a question of 'if', just a question of 'when') through diversification, at both platform and loan levels. What a trader such as Godanubis attempts to do is offload before term having bought at a discount in the hope that increased returns of successful trades reduces the impact of unsuccessful trades - ie: those that may have to be offloaded at a greater discount than bought at, or may have to be held to term and go on to, eventually, crystallise a loss. Even then, careful diversification is required. (Whilst I can just about see this being profitable in % terms, I personally don't know it's worth the time and effort in £ terms. Not unless there's a good deal of automation involved to lighten the load.)
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Post by ozboy on May 2, 2019 13:46:15 GMT
How does one formulate a strategy for the flaw of being economic with the truth. You can't, not 100%. And remember what the good Dr. House was fond of saying: " Everybody lies." Whether that's borrowers acting fraudulently or platforms 'lying through omission'. (“ The slickest way in the world to lie is to tell the right amount of truth at the right time-and then shut up.” -- Heinlein) What an investor can do is try to mitigate the impact of that eventuality (it's not a question of 'if', just a question of 'when') through diversification, at both platform and loan levels. What a trader such as Godanubis attempts to do is offload before term having bought at a discount in the hope that increased returns of successful trades reduces the impact of unsuccessful trades - ie: those that may have to be offloaded at a greater discount than bought at, or may have to be held to term and go on to, eventually, crystallise a loss. Even then, careful diversification is required. (Whilst I can just about see this being profitable in % terms, I personally don't know it's worth the time and effort in £ terms. Not unless there's a good deal of automation involved to lighten the load.) Or just bin the Platform totally and extricate yourself in one piece asap? (If a Platform has been shown to blatantly lie on a number of occasions then you have to be a complete mug to keep investing with them.) [ PS / EDIT: I'm aware the Question is directed towards avoidance before the above happens. ]
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Post by iRobot on May 2, 2019 13:57:26 GMT
(If a Platform has been shown to blatantly lie on a number of occasions then you have to be a complete mug to keep investing with them.) Unless, of course, it's just a 'fun punt'
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