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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Jun 27, 2019 19:28:34 GMT
Don't you have anything more constructive to do instead of trolling this thread? Not trolling just asking you to support your statement. Can you? (I'm of the opinion that no-one running a PB forum - either 'pro' or otherwise - can generate any revenue from that forum, but I am prepared to shown that I am incorrect and will happily admit when I'm wrong.) Its a discussion that has been had before a few times. No they do not benefit, arguably quite the reverse.
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Post by iRobot on Jun 27, 2019 19:33:54 GMT
See my previous comments. I have. Repeatedly. And they make little sense, so I asked for clarification. Or, now, that you perhaps concede you may have been mistaken in your thoughts that the 'anti' comments on this thread were being made by those who would be financially disadvantaged by the availability of another site. However, I don't actually think you are capable of conceding that. This is based on when I suggested you may be incorrect in your assertion that " LAG is exclusively for Lendy investors." after Monetus had already stated: " we welcome anyone with an interest in the Lendy Administration to join the LAG" you replied with an (largely) irrelevant point about the potential for a partitioned area of the site rather than just saying " Ooops. My mistake." It appears, to me at least, that same thing is happening here. I ask for clarity on who you believe is concerned re the loss of page impression, ad revenuem etc - perhaps to give you the opportunity to realise for yourself that you may have the wrong end of the stick or, if you hadn't, then to clarify the details for me - but you now choose to disengage instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 19:45:03 GMT
See my previous comments. I have. Repeatedly. And they make little sense, so I asked for clarification. Or, now, that you perhaps concede you may have been mistaken in your thoughts that the 'anti' comments on this thread were being made by those who would be financially disadvantaged by the availability of another site. However, I don't actually think you are capable of conceding that. This is based on when I suggested you may be incorrect in your assertion that " LAG is exclusively for Lendy investors." after Monetus had already stated: " we welcome anyone with an interest in the Lendy Administration to join the LAG" you replied with an (largely) irrelevant point about the potential for a partitioned area of the site rather than just saying " Ooops. My mistake." It appears, to me at least, that same thing is happening here. I ask for clarity on who you believe is concerned re the loss of page impression, ad revenuem etc - perhaps to give you the opportunity to realise for yourself that you may have the wrong end of the stick or, if you hadn't, then to clarify the details for me - but you now choose to disengage instead. See my previous comments.
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Post by star dust on Jun 27, 2019 19:48:14 GMT
Yeah, I realise I was probably asking the wrong person  , thanks for clarifying though - guests here are all unregistered (or not logged in) and just viewing the forum. I assumed a bit similar but it sounds a bit odd to have people viewing if you have to log in to see it - perhaps it's the "staff"? Actually I had hoped it meant they were (as Monetus claimed) going to be a public site so you could view rather than necessarily log in - if all and sundry can join I really don't understand why the entire thing needs to be cloaked in secrecy and private/closed groups? In Edit: just seen Monetus 's explanation - bit odd and creepy, but at least clear. May I ask how the LAG website differs from DD Central? This is a genuine question as you seem to have a real issue with LAG in general for some reason based on your recent comments. Why isn't DD Central open to "all and sundry" like you say LAG should be? You are clearly someone who supports all information being publicly accessible across the whole internet rather than being hidden away in "private portals"? In fact the barrier to entry for DD Central is significantly higher as you need to make at least 50 posts in order to access this private/closed off part of the "deep web"? Quite simply the site isn't 100% public because borrowers/assets will be named (against forum rules here) and there may be some material that posters will not want to be "wide open" or indexed by search engines. That's really it. No big conspiracy. No mysterious agenda. I really don't think it's that big of a deal to ask anyone interested to register for a website in 2019 and it certainly doesn't make the entire thing "cloaked in secrecy" either. It's actually fairly standard practice. I have no idea how the LAG website differs from DDC because I'm not registered and as I've said before not a member of facebook either. You're in DDC you tell me what the difference is. I didn't say the LAG should be open to all and sundry I said if it was going to be (as you are now suggesting it is/will be) why isn't it (or at least a part of it) public? What I said (which I actually highlighted) I thought clearly implied that I could understand why some of it might not be public. If that wasn't clear hopefully it is now.
Out of interest why wouldn't the LAG be happy with borrowers/assets being named publicly?
My issues have been Facebook and the fact that this denied access to Lendy Investors who were not on it; Privacy/ GDPR - and I noticed those 'policies' subsequently appeared on your website before it even 'opened'; the 'security' question and it's implications - again you seem to have addressed/ be addressing that.
In general I'm not keen on secrecy and barriers to getting information out to as many as possible particularly where I don't think they are enunciated, justified or have clear criteria.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 19:59:39 GMT
May I ask how the LAG website differs from DD Central? This is a genuine question as you seem to have a real issue with LAG in general for some reason based on your recent comments. Why isn't DD Central open to "all and sundry" like you say LAG should be? You are clearly someone who supports all information being publicly accessible across the whole internet rather than being hidden away in "private portals"? In fact the barrier to entry for DD Central is significantly higher as you need to make at least 50 posts in order to access this private/closed off part of the "deep web"? Quite simply the site isn't 100% public because borrowers/assets will be named (against forum rules here) and there may be some material that posters will not want to be "wide open" or indexed by search engines. That's really it. No big conspiracy. No mysterious agenda. I really don't think it's that big of a deal to ask anyone interested to register for a website in 2019 and it certainly doesn't make the entire thing "cloaked in secrecy" either. It's actually fairly standard practice. I have no idea how the LAG website differs from DDC because I'm not registered and as I've said before not a member of facebook either. You're in DDC you tell me what the difference is DYOR.
I didn't say the LAG should be open to all and sundry I said if it was going to be (as you are now suggesting it is/will be) why isn't it (or at least a part of it) public? You're not a member, demanding answers to questions won't get you anywhere.
What I said (which I actually highlighted) I thought clearly implied that I could understand why some of it might not be public. If that wasn't clear hopefully it is now.
Out of interest why wouldn't the LAG be happy with borrowers/assets being named publicly? For the same reasons you actively disallow and edit posts here one would imagine.
My issues have been Facebook and the fact that this denied access to Lendy Investors who were not on it; Privacy/ GDPR - and I noticed those 'policies' subsequently appeared on your website before it even 'opened'; the 'security' question and it's implications - again you seem to have addressed/ be addressing that. Facebook wasn't fit for purpose.
In general I'm not keen on secrecy and barriers to getting information out to as many as possible particularly where I don't think they are enunciated, justified or have clear criteria. Then remove the 50 post DD restriction and make it visible to all.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 27, 2019 20:12:37 GMT
So is it open to anyone or are you tightening up security to prevent non-lenders getting in? We welcome everyone and we don't. Some mixed messages in this thread. I think its very clear. Its/it will be open to everyone except the bits that arent/wont be. Same as here. 'As Bruce has mentioned we welcome anyone with an interest in the Lendy Administration to join the LAG' I don't see any way to join if you are not a lender. And it seems even lenders will have to jump through even more hoops to get in (if they can be bothered).
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Post by sl75 on Jun 28, 2019 7:15:57 GMT
It's because they're not happy at the prospect of the discussion being moved away from this general P2P site into a specific Lendy forum. Less traffic, less influence, less ad impressions & click through etc. Accusations such as this cut both ways - who benefits most from moving the discussion to a new site - certainly the site admins benefit; they gain personal information from all members, and as the ultimate authority in control of who is allowed to speak on the site, as they can steer the concensus of the LAG towards the outcome that benefits them personally, perhaps to the detriment of lendy investors whose views are NOT represented within the group.
Before I sign up, I see no details of exactly WHO I would be providing personal information to, and WHY it benefits me more than communicating directly with RSM who have a legal duty to treat all affected parties fairly.
Given a choice between public and pseudonymous conversations here together with private conversations with the administrators as required, compared to providing personal details to an unknown entity with an unknown agenda who purports to be acting in the interests of Lendy investors, I see nothing to persuade me to switch.
Ultimately something doesn't sit right with me about the level of "enthusiasm" that recruiters for this group are expressing... last time I followed an "enthusiastic" crowd without doing adequate research about the people behind it, I ended up signing up for Lendy. Not planning on making the same mistake with LAG! I don't see how the administrators' investigations will be improved much by large crowds of relatively uninformed users joining an "action group", even if it is as benign as it claims and (at least on the surface) seems to be.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 28, 2019 7:34:11 GMT
A debate on closed/open forum, ensuring a site is not perceived as secure when it isn't; the appropriateness of FB etc. is all fine and reasonable. I do hope however that the tenor of some comments - whether unintended or otherwise - doesn't have the effect of discouraging or driving away any positive contributors to this forum.
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Post by djay on Jun 28, 2019 7:45:47 GMT
A debate on closed/open forum, ensuring a site is not perceived as secure when it isn't; the appropriateness of FB etc. is all fine and reasonable. I do hope however that the tenor of some comments - whether unintended or otherwise - doesn't have the effect of discouraging or driving away any positive contributors to this forum. Here, here. I'm on the fence with regards to LAG, but I'm also now on the fence with regards to using this forum for lendy discussion with the tone some of the discussion on this thread.
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Post by Monetus on Jun 28, 2019 8:07:02 GMT
It's because they're not happy at the prospect of the discussion being moved away from this general P2P site into a specific Lendy forum. Less traffic, less influence, less ad impressions & click through etc. Accusations such as this cut both ways - who benefits most from moving the discussion to a new site - certainly the site admins benefit; they gain personal information from all members, and as the ultimate authority in control of who is allowed to speak on the site, as they can steer the concensus of the LAG towards the outcome that benefits them personally, perhaps to the detriment of lendy investors whose views are NOT represented within the group.
Before I sign up, I see no details of exactly WHO I would be providing personal information to, and WHY it benefits me more than communicating directly with RSM who have a legal duty to treat all affected parties fairly.
Given a choice between public and pseudonymous conversations here together with private conversations with the administrators as required, compared to providing personal details to an unknown entity with an unknown agenda who purports to be acting in the interests of Lendy investors, I see nothing to persuade me to switch.
Ultimately something doesn't sit right with me about the level of "enthusiasm" that recruiters for this group are expressing... last time I followed an "enthusiastic" crowd without doing adequate research about the people behind it, I ended up signing up for Lendy. Not planning on making the same mistake with LAG! I don't see how the administrators' investigations will be improved much by large crowds of relatively uninformed users joining an "action group", even if it is as benign as it claims and (at least on the surface) seems to be.
Sadly I don't think you're going to get a response from mfry as he seems to have departed these shores. I just wanted to make it clear that mfry is someone who is as new to us as he is to you. He signed up to our website a few days ago where he has been a good contributor. Everyone is entitled to their opinion (just as you are) but I want to make it clear than mfry's personal views aren't representative of LAG, its organisers or members as a whole. mfry is also not a "recruiter" for LAG and has no connection whatsoever to anyone helping with the organisation of LAG. The overall feedback from the 700 people who have joined so far has been extremely positive. You've made your own personal views and objections perfectly clear in regards to LAG and that's totally fine. I don't see much value or benefit in continuing this discussion further so I'm just going to leave it here I think.
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Post by registerme on Jun 28, 2019 9:25:00 GMT
mfry's point about "ad impressions", for the benefit of anybody who doesn't already know this, is simply incorrect. All ad revenue generated by the P2P Independent Forum accrues to ProBoards. That's why it's a "free" hosted site.
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Post by jomantha on Jun 28, 2019 10:00:29 GMT
Hi
I have added myself on FB and also on the website thing but it hasnt been approved and I have answered all the questions. Thanks
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Post by zlb on Jun 28, 2019 14:39:12 GMT
Hi I have added myself on FB and also on the website thing but it hasnt been approved and I have answered all the questions. Thanks It should come through eventually.
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Post by balloonthief on Jun 29, 2019 9:39:40 GMT
Hi I have added myself on FB and also on the website thing but it hasnt been approved and I have answered all the questions. Thanks I'm the same, tried twice now. Still waiting for a reply.
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Post by zlb on Jun 29, 2019 10:07:49 GMT
Hi I have added myself on FB and also on the website thing but it hasnt been approved and I have answered all the questions. Thanks I'm the same, tried twice now. Still waiting for a reply. It's dependent upon the numbers of volunteers who have stepped forward in order to moderate fb. Predominantly, volunteers are focussing on research. I think the LAG would be happy to continue to receive offers of help.
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, thanks for clarifying though - guests here are all unregistered (or not logged in) and just viewing the forum. I assumed a bit similar but it sounds a bit odd to have people viewing if you have to log in to see it - perhaps it's the "staff"?
