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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 12:23:36 GMT
So what value do you put on a part-finished development project...? When it's at the stage of a muddy site with holes in the ground and the odd bit of concrete being poured? Getting to ground level is probably the most expensive part of any dev project, and the realisable value is only ever going to be way below cost. If you don't begin to understand GDV, then stay away from dev projects. If the initial LTV quoted was the value as it is without development for fire sale. Meaning before the development project start. Then a part finished development shouldn't be that far from it. Then you're never going to fund any dev projects, because there's zero capital for the work there...
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Post by tommytaylor on Jun 7, 2019 12:51:06 GMT
Monetus. I know you are on the lenders board for the collateral fiasco. Can i just ask would there be any reason why Collateral borrows where not given an opportunity to join an action group like this and have the option to go onto the radio to discuss how they were cheated and robbed. I know Lendy is a bigger fish due to the amounts of the loans in default ( although saying that i know money is money but it appears the majority of people who post on here only have a few hundred quid tied up and they certainly have plenty to say ) but it just seems recently that every post i read people are running up and down corridors to spread the word that we all need to club together which is correct but that never happened over the road for collateral investors I dont remember that happening for collateral investors. You of all people have a bigger insight into what is going on at the moment and there appears very little. I get the impression we have been forgot about and are not as important. Maybe i am way off the mark What do you think? This is a good question and I am glad you raised it actually. The simple answer is that a group like this wasn't formed for Collateral because enough investors didn't work together in order to create one. Unfortunately the Lendy collapse was always likely to attract more media attention purely because it's a significantly larger platform. While I may appear to be one of the public "faces" of this Lendy Group I can assure you that countless people are involved and this is a huge collective effort with a significant number of investors working on it (and we need more help urgently as it's growing rapidly!) Organising something like this needs a huge amount of coordination and requires a significant amount of time, energy and resources. We will soon be appealing for more help from here and other forums also as there are many capable people here in the P2P community who can help make a difference. In all honesty it would have been much easier for me to just sit back and do nothing and be a passive observer of the whole thing as I am extremely busy personally right now and also with my own business. I have been pretty much full-time on this whole thing since Friday 24th May to the detriment of my work (and amazing and extremely patient wife!) However, having been involved with P2P for a number of years I just cannot sit back in good conscience and watch another P2P disaster unfold without at least making an effort to try and do something about it. In regards to Collateral, I am currently on the Creditors Committee so I am of course bound by a strict NDA which limits the amount of information I can share publicly to virtually nothing. This isn't the case with Lendy - I am able to speak freely. It would be unrealistic for me to start an action group for Collateral now as I wouldn't be able to say anything. However this doesn't mean someone else can't? There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from forming a Collateral Action Group but it has yet to materialise. The other difference is that prior to the Collateral administration I also had no experience whatsoever of dealing with administrators, lawyers, legal frameworks or insolvency practitioners. Even though the circumstances are clearly awful, the Collateral situation has given me some extremely valuable experience that I otherwise wouldn't have had. To be honest I'm not even sure I would have had the confidence to be involved in setting up something like this until now. I can understand where you are coming from, but I can assure you that I am still putting a huge amount of time and attention into the Collateral administration (I have been in communication with BDO several times already this week and there is a Creditors Committee meeting coming up shortly on the 18th of June). On a personal note I also have significantly more capital invested in Collateral than I do Lendy so I most certainly will not be forgetting about all you Collateral investors Thankyou for giving a very frank and honest answer Monetus. I hope both companies find a way to get out of this mess.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 7, 2019 14:30:09 GMT
At least I'm not forced to pay for the Times and the Telegraph though. Follow the money. EVERYBODY certainly does pay for every advertising-funded media source. The commercial TV channels alone cost the average household several times the licence fee, annually. It's just disguised through marketing budgets and the price you pay in shops, rather than being overt. I can chose to buy products and services associated with large marketing budgets or products and services with far smaller budgets. This is surely incomparable with the licence fee which is a national tax that is applied by law under penalty (ultimately) of prison for non-payment?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 18:08:03 GMT
Follow the money. EVERYBODY certainly does pay for every advertising-funded media source. The commercial TV channels alone cost the average household several times the licence fee, annually. It's just disguised through marketing budgets and the price you pay in shops, rather than being overt. I can chose to buy products and services associated with large marketing budgets or products and services with far smaller budgets. This is surely incomparable with the licence fee which is a national tax that is applied by law under penalty (ultimately) of prison for non-payment? You can choose not to have a TV. Quite easily. Try choosing never to shop at any supermarket, or buy from Unilever or Proctor & Gamble... Where do you get fuel? Clothes? Utilities? Where's your bank account...?
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Post by michaelc on Jun 7, 2019 18:38:08 GMT
I can chose to buy products and services associated with large marketing budgets or products and services with far smaller budgets. This is surely incomparable with the licence fee which is a national tax that is applied by law under penalty (ultimately) of prison for non-payment? You can choose not to have a TV. Quite easily. Try choosing never to shop at any supermarket, or buy from Unilever or Proctor & Gamble... Where do you get fuel? Clothes? Utilities? Where's your bank account...? These days its not so much about a big TV although that is a luxury that most chose to have and to be taxed on it is not good. There are lots of ways to receive TV and the relevance of the BBC as just one source is diminishing. Actually though, even if you ditch your main TV and never watch a live BBC broadcast again, apparently as soon as you inform the BBC licencing department of that, they will insist on quasi-official inspectors snooping around your house at regular (annual) intervals to whom you have to spend time with and convince you have not or cannot receive BBC live content. That in itself would put me right off. Anyway, once the Brexit Party takes over that little issue will be resolved
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Post by billy169 on Jun 7, 2019 19:00:48 GMT
Way off topic..but actually..you tell them you don't have a TV and they don't ask again for 2 yrs..if they knock..never ever let them in.. they need a warrant..they try to trick you into inviting them in..
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Post by registerme on Jun 7, 2019 19:11:26 GMT
Anyway, once the Brexit Party takes over that little issue will be resolved They've actually got a policy now then?
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2019 19:15:19 GMT
Coming soon the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation ... goes off air at 12 with the National Anthem ... after that you'll have to watch the Test Card featuring Sir Nige cuddling a teddy bear & holding a chalk board saying Breakfast means Breakfast but you'll have to wait 6 hours for it to arrive.
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2019 19:19:21 GMT
Anyway, once the Brexit Party takes over that little issue will be resolved They've actually got a policy now then? They've always had a policy ... it's getting beyond one that is the challenge.
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Post by registerme on Jun 7, 2019 19:23:04 GMT
They've always had a policy ... it's getting beyond one that is the challenge. Yeah, I took that one as a given.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 21:49:39 GMT
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Post by brianlom1 on Jun 7, 2019 22:49:30 GMT
I could do, but I have very strong views about Lendy and those lent to/through them. Which boil down to the fact that the writing was on the the wall from the inception of Saving Stream and that anyone who was willing to lend to/through a company that was happy to mislead lenders with images that bore no relation to the vessels that they purported to be and that used said images with scant disregard to the copyright owners was an avaricious fool. The main focus of the segment is the FCA's new regulations and whether or not they make any difference to investors. There will be the opportunity for some Lendy chat regarding your experience but the new rules are the primary topic. IMO, the FCA's new regulations should have focused on two distinct principles: 1. Alignment of platform interests with those of investors (eg platforms should have 'skin in the game' from which they do not derive profit until obligations to investors are met) 2. Common industry standards to make it easier for investors to compare between platforms (eg consistent terminology and measurement - especially with regard to defaults) My concern is the new regulations as currently drafted will add an extra layer of bureaucracy and just add to platform cost (which has to be paid for by someone)
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Post by cwah on Jun 8, 2019 0:27:47 GMT
The main focus of the segment is the FCA's new regulations and whether or not they make any difference to investors. There will be the opportunity for some Lendy chat regarding your experience but the new rules are the primary topic. IMO, the FCA's new regulations should have focused on two distinct principles: 1. Alignment of platform interests with those of investors (eg platforms should have 'skin in the game' from which they do not derive profit until obligations to investors are met) 2. Common industry standards to make it easier for investors to compare between platforms (eg consistent terminology and measurement - especially with regard to defaults) My concern is the new regulations as currently drafted will add an extra layer of bureaucracy and just add to platform cost (which has to be paid for by someone) Funny you mention skin in the game, because the FCA specially has forbidden this to happen because of the risk of conflict of interest....
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Post by registerme on Jun 8, 2019 0:31:40 GMT
Funny you mention skin in the game, because the FCA specially has forbidden this to happen because of the risk of conflict of interest.... And what do you make of that?
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Post by cwah on Jun 8, 2019 0:32:24 GMT
Funny you mention skin in the game, because the FCA specially has forbidden this to happen because of the risk of conflict of interest.... And what do you make of that? Make of that? What do you mean?
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