gibmike
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Post by gibmike on Jun 13, 2019 21:54:36 GMT
I like/liked FS when I started back in 2016. My only gripe was the 180 period to wait for repayment compared to other platforms.
I also agree with the above poster, that loan would have gone in hours a year or two ago. I think that rather than an exodus, the recycling of funds requires repayments to fund these new loans (or renewals). Unfortunately, I think a lot like me have funds tied into 300/600 day loan "defaults" which are still pending.
If they were repaying on or near time (sub 300 days) I would be more comfortable investing in new loans. As it is, I am simply removing my funds to either non-P2P or other platforms.
I have left Lendy (thankfully only £60 left in there), LendInvest (they stopped non-UK) and I am shifting from FS slowly towards only 2 real platforms.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 13, 2019 23:18:57 GMT
I like/liked FS when I started back in 2016. My only gripe was the 180 period to wait for repayment compared to other platforms.
I also agree with the above poster, that loan would have gone in hours a year or two ago. I think that rather than an exodus, the recycling of funds requires repayments to fund these new loans (or renewals). Unfortunately, I think a lot like me have funds tied into 300/600 day loan "defaults" which are still pending.
If they were repaying on or near time (sub 300 days) I would be more comfortable investing in new loans. As it is, I am simply removing my funds to either non-P2P or other platforms.
I have left Lendy (thankfully only £60 left in there), LendInvest (they stopped non-UK) and I am shifting from FS slowly towards only 2 real platforms.
Which two any why out of interest?
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Post by Godanubis on Jun 13, 2019 23:37:33 GMT
I like/liked FS when I started back in 2016. My only gripe was the 180 period to wait for repayment compared to other platforms.
I also agree with the above poster, that loan would have gone in hours a year or two ago. I think that rather than an exodus, the recycling of funds requires repayments to fund these new loans (or renewals). Unfortunately, I think a lot like me have funds tied into 300/600 day loan "defaults" which are still pending.
If they were repaying on or near time (sub 300 days) I would be more comfortable investing in new loans. As it is, I am simply removing my funds to either non-P2P or other platforms.
I have left Lendy (thankfully only £60 left in there), LendInvest (they stopped non-UK) and I am shifting from FS slowly towards only 2 real platforms.
There are lots for things going for FS other than straight interest that simply are not available on any other platforms. From no fee and full interest while selling to tax offset. Used to to it’s full extent and not holding to completion has most of the good points of other P2P with higher returns. The amount of effort is reflected in minimal individual loan loss of capital which should always be less that 1 months interest of individual portfolio holdings.
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Jun 14, 2019 4:03:02 GMT
The Couple of K that was needed is 80 investors, nothing like 600 investors. In the past this would have been snapped up immediately. You are ignoring the fact that while 80 EXTRA are needed, none of the hundreds of investors that auto renewed are able to invest yet. The total amount of investors needed is hundreds. Yeah they already had 520 of them before the loan even opened. They only needed 80 and £2000 which was absolutely nothing not so long ago but now appears to be a struggle. You can try and fake news spin it but barely being able to get £2000 into a pawn loan shows investor confidence in Funding Secure has completely evaporated. Hardly anyone trusts this platform with their money anymore, and quite rightly so. It's entirely their own fault - they went for the short term who cares about the lenders attitude.
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Post by arby on Jun 14, 2019 5:15:40 GMT
You are ignoring the fact that while 80 EXTRA are needed, none of the hundreds of investors that auto renewed are able to invest yet. The total amount of investors needed is hundreds. Yeah they already had 520 of them before the loan even opened. They only needed 80 and £2000 which was absolutely nothing not so long ago but now appears to be a struggle. You can try and fake news spin it but barely being able to get £2000 into a pawn loan shows investor confidence in Funding Secure has completely evaporated. Hardly anyone trusts this platform with their money anymore, and quite rightly so. It's entirely their own fault - they went for the short term who cares about the lenders attitude. I am not doubting that confidence has been eroded because of recent performance, but what you are saying is just ignoring simple facts. For example, the recent rolls Royce renewal, it hung around for a day with a ridiculously low bid limit, then someone slapped on £2k within 1 second of the 24 hour window being over. All I'm saying is that any of the previous hundreds of investors aren't able to take part and as this is quite a large loan and has been renewed, most people who wanted £25 in it already would have, so now they're looking for additional investors. So, I fully agree with you calling it Fake News; you know it's true but have run out of logical defence
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Post by rocky1 on Jun 14, 2019 5:18:47 GMT
I would like to think reality was kicking in, clearly its bad management of the loan book that we all know about, the 3 (the third is a recent addition) new board members have yet to prove they can manage the loan book and return our capital, and they have limited time 15th may 2019 another charge against FUNDING SECURE LTD.have asked questions on DD but it's all gone quiet.it seems to be in favour of an existing borrower whose directors are involved in both ltd cos. We know about the 1 charge with the new head man who in my opinion seems to be doing a bit of a LB from LY. This could just be all good business sense from FS but I don't trust them at all.my DD skills are vey ltd but would like to know about this new charge and how it would affect us in the future.
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Post by gc on Jun 14, 2019 5:37:05 GMT
A £15,000 Jewellery renewal has been up for hours and still not filled. Not so long ago it would have been snapped up in <10 minutes. Sign of the times when even these small pawn loans are struggling to get takers. £1850 is still up for grab. Giving the £25 limit the only reason for it could be a mass exodus from FS I'm sure the loan will fill after 24 hours... but good point - "times have changed". I'm happy to hold my existing £50 in this loan, but won't go for increase if it's still available tomorrow. Recent FS pawn recovery record is not brilliant I have been with them for a while but I no longer invest and just letting the ones I have, run down (or as is the norm now, fall into default/unredeemed) The problem is, as so many are falling into an "unredeemed" status, I imagine most people wouldn't plough more funds into their system.
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 14, 2019 8:38:31 GMT
System Update
In order to improve our customer's experience we will be enhancing our communication process and upgrading our online chat as of 17 June 2019. The new system will provide a knowledge bank with auto replies along with the option to speak to an agent.
"We continue to be in discussions with the borrower" "Interest continues to accrue" "We continue to believe that the best approach is to work with the borrower." ...
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Jun 14, 2019 8:47:48 GMT
Yeah they already had 520 of them before the loan even opened. They only needed 80 and £2000 which was absolutely nothing not so long ago but now appears to be a struggle. You can try and fake news spin it but barely being able to get £2000 into a pawn loan shows investor confidence in Funding Secure has completely evaporated. Hardly anyone trusts this platform with their money anymore, and quite rightly so. It's entirely their own fault - they went for the short term who cares about the lenders attitude. I am not doubting that confidence has been eroded because of recent performance, but what you are saying is just ignoring simple facts. For example, the recent rolls Royce renewal, it hung around for a day with a ridiculously low bid limit, then someone slapped on £2k within 1 second of the 24 hour window being over. All I'm saying is that any of the previous hundreds of investors aren't able to take part and as this is quite a large loan and has been renewed, most people who wanted £25 in it already would have, so now they're looking for additional investors. So, I fully agree with you calling it Fake News; you know it's true but have run out of logical defence The facts are : this renewal required £2000 which is 80 investors. Taking an awful long time to fill, far longer than in the past. You have come in this thread and tried to make out 600 investors are needed or that this is a “large” loan and the long time to fill is understandable. That is ignoring “simple facts”. Resorting to questioning my logic and speaking nonsense. Embarrassing for Funding Secure.
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Post by arby on Jun 14, 2019 8:58:47 GMT
I am not doubting that confidence has been eroded because of recent performance, but what you are saying is just ignoring simple facts. For example, the recent rolls Royce renewal, it hung around for a day with a ridiculously low bid limit, then someone slapped on £2k within 1 second of the 24 hour window being over. All I'm saying is that any of the previous hundreds of investors aren't able to take part and as this is quite a large loan and has been renewed, most people who wanted £25 in it already would have, so now they're looking for additional investors. So, I fully agree with you calling it Fake News; you know it's true but have run out of logical defence The facts are : this renewal required £2000 which is 80 investors. Taking an awful long time to fill, far longer than in the past. You have come in this thread and tried to make out 600 investors are needed or that this is a “large” loan and the long time to fill is understandable. That is ignoring “simple facts”. Resorting to questioning my logic and speaking nonsense. Embarrassing for Funding Secure. Your reluctance to look at the larger picture has led me to actually look at the investor list; there are currently 370 investors with another 50 needed to compete the allocation. So, not 80 as you keep saying, but hundreds as I have stated.
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Jun 14, 2019 9:01:25 GMT
The facts are : this renewal required £2000 which is 80 investors. Taking an awful long time to fill, far longer than in the past. You have come in this thread and tried to make out 600 investors are needed or that this is a “large” loan and the long time to fill is understandable. That is ignoring “simple facts”. Resorting to questioning my logic and speaking nonsense. Embarrassing for Funding Secure. Your reluctance to look at the bigger issue has led me to actually look at the investor list; there are currently 370 investors with another 50 needed to compete the allocation. So, not 80 as you keep saying, but hundreds as I have stated. Errr no that’s 50 needed as of right now needed not hundreds. It needed around 80 when it opened for renewal yesterday. You are stating nonsense. P.S The bigger picture is extremely bad for FS. Nonsense and lies can only be peddled for so long, as this renewal shows
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Post by dan1 on Jun 14, 2019 9:24:51 GMT
This renewal business and the numbers.
There are 371 "investments" in this loan so far. Of those, there are 197 unique* usernames. Of those, I'd expect the majority to operate ISA and non-ISA accounts. And finally, of those, I'd expect a significant proportion to invest on behalf of spouses and other family members. So, my guess is that there are around 100 "unique" investors in this one.
* usernames are not unique to an investors account, e.g. DAN1 will combine with DEB1.
Edit: What's the point in keeping tabs on the numbers? For me, it's about how sustainable the business model is and my current view is that FS should give up on the retail investor side because it's just gone too far south and I can't see how they're going to recover with all the problem loans still to be resolved. So, what would I do? I'd run down the small pawn loans (perhaps they're doing this already with only renewals and new loans going to existing borrowers who would otherwise default on their existing loans), close the business to new retail investments, and grow the business via institutional investors concentrating on bridging and development, i.e. turn the P2P into a traditional bridging/development finance provider. I can't really see the benefit of keeping this show on the current road.
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Post by rogerthat on Jun 14, 2019 9:35:15 GMT
Its gone..never was so much fuss created by so many about so little
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Post by arby on Jun 14, 2019 9:37:26 GMT
6 seconds to fill once the limit was lifted.
As I've said before, I agree confidence in pawn will likely have taken a hit, but we've also had many threads in the last few months stating a slow renewal on a clearly riskier investment (which I class this one as) somehow definitively proves something while ignoring the almost instantly filled better loans
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Post by rocky1 on Jun 14, 2019 10:57:26 GMT
Okay that's the 5 grands worth of bling sorted for 6 months. The borrower is doing well with this I might empty my draw and send FS a photo of some stuff.so what shall we go on to next? How about Arby's FS positive thread.similar to the legendary one that was on the LY forum.might get us off of all the bad stuff for a bit and might even be good for a laugh or even a little cry.
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