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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 19:51:57 GMT
I hope you're right and the risk of a debased fiat currency collapsing to zero value is about the same as the Earth being hit by an asteroid or hordes of zombies rising from their graves.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Tuna fish is very nice. Four years from now it'll be even nicer.
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Post by j on Oct 26, 2014 15:09:51 GMT
Tuna fish is very nice. Four years from now it'll be even nicer. Who mentioned fish?
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Post by j on Oct 26, 2014 17:18:07 GMT
I'm probably going to get this thrown back at me because I'm being too simplistic but, wanted to comment on 2 things.
-NHS, I think is a wonderful concept, esp when you compare it to other so called world powers like the US. Such a super power that you do not equality in healthcare unless you can afford it (Does the job come with a full dental? comment springs to mind)! The problem with our system is that it is run very bureaucratically, inefficiently & with very little accountability on those at the top. The little minions are the ones that actually do all the hard work. The higher you are, the easier life you get & less accountability placed on you. A bit like politics really. It should be put back in the hands of health professionals who can bets balance the clinical, ethical & financial aspects of the system.
-Communism, risking opening a can of worms here, part of the concept is sound in the sense of 'All for one & one for all' (sorry for plagiarising Dumas' work here!). Our failing as societies is that the more we have, the more we want (both money & power). It is the people who tend to ruin good social concepts & not the other way round. You can see in microcosms that when people don't get greedy, good things happen. Probably too much idealistic line thinking though, I admit.
My tuppence worth anyway
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Post by oldnick on Oct 26, 2014 18:48:39 GMT
The NHS is a wonderful concept, just like communism, but again reality intervenes and we don't get the best of it. The dead hand of government is the death knell of all good ideas I'm afraid (I'm beginning to sound like Sterling @ p2p-millionaire.com now). All these communal concepts have their basis in the way we organise our family life, with 'breadwinners', 'carers' and 'dependents'. With families it's usually the case that the dependents grow up and move out - eventually - leaving the bread winner and carer in peace. In broader society it doesn't quite seem to work like that though. Some dependents get stuck in that role and breadwinners can begin to resent the imposition. Well that's enough stirring for now.
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Post by shimself on Oct 26, 2014 21:47:10 GMT
Life expectancy is leaping ahead in UK. Disposable Income has risen enormously between the advent of the welfare state and, Thatcher or 2007, depending on how much you believe in house prices.
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Post by j on Oct 26, 2014 22:21:36 GMT
All these communal concepts have their basis in the way we organise our family life, with 'breadwinners', 'carers' and 'dependents'. With families it's usually the case that the dependents grow up and move out - eventually - leaving the bread winner and carer in peace. In broader society it doesn't quite seem to work like that though. Some dependents get stuck in that role and breadwinners can begin to resent the imposition. Well that's enough stirring for now. oldnick you make a wonderful opening to this point: Families are the building blocks of society. When you look at certain cultutres that believe in such a way of life & conducting themselves so that it does not matter that 1st, 2nd ad 3rd generation live in the same or close proximity. They may work in the same business (family sometimes) & the young & old look after each other with trans-generation habitation working mostly very well & providing unity & cohesion. These things have a strong positive effect on people, socially, psychologically, even financially & help build better societies. Not just capitalism but interwoven, hopefully, with some sense of civic & social responsibility & duty. I'm not saying it's everyone's cup of tea, with the young wanting to leave home very early or the old wanting them to move on quickly and that has all led through the last few decades of the decay in those strong familial ties, which regardless of many peoples' denial, will have significant negative effect on society. It's late. Rumblings of a man getting on a bit & who cannot agree/comprehend/accept the harsh realities of how we live, as hard as he tries.
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Post by oldnick on Oct 26, 2014 23:06:26 GMT
It was my intention to stick with that opening point actually but then I went all scrooge for some reason. Its my luck to be able to see both sides of an argument and feel strongly about both as well. Drives the missus up the wall sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 18:20:45 GMT
Not just capitalism but interwoven, hopefully, with some sense of civic & social responsibility & duty. Capitalism (people working hard, consuming less than they spend, then keeping what's left) is heavily biased in favour of those kinds of arrangements, where families are afraid of the risks of reckless behaviour and proud of (and eager to impart to the young) those types of behaviour that create wealth. A culture of no borrowing, lots of saving, treating material possessions with care and respect, looking after things, making the best use of resources, co-operating with people you might need to trade with in the future, seeing the big picture, planning for the future, protecting wealth and passing it to your offspring...... All the values the cultural revolutionaries hate in other words.
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Post by twerling on Nov 4, 2014 14:44:25 GMT
A certain platform has now snuck in buy-to-let through the back door. The question "what IS p2p" is more relevant than ever. What's the limit? I mean could a 'business' simply be some guy paying for a holiday and a new car? Could a 'business' be US Treasury Bonds through a middleman? There's really no limit.
It's very interesting from an Austrian perspective: the boundaries of our aggregated definition are utterly fluid. Individual human action is infinitely varied and unpredictable.
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 4, 2014 17:10:12 GMT
A certain platform has now snuck in buy-to-let through the back door. twerling: I don't understand the above comment. Please explain. Thanks.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 5, 2014 13:07:56 GMT
A certain platform has now snuck in buy-to-let through the back door. The question "what IS p2p" is more relevant than ever. What's the limit? I mean could a 'business' simply be some guy paying for a holiday and a new car? Could a 'business' be US Treasury Bonds through a middleman? There's really no limit. ITYM "What is P2B?", since P2P personal loans on some platforms could quite legitimately be for a new car or a holiday. Where there's a limited company or an LLP in place, it's obvious. Where it's a sole trader, yes, the lines can become a bit more blurred - but that's hardly unique to lending questions. It's not just a question of investment activities, such as BtL - or even P2P lending - but far wider. Let's say somebody orders or fabricates some minimum-order-quantity batch of widgets for a hobby, then sells the surplus to their fellow hobbyists. Is that a business? P2B platforms would normally require sufficient formally-prepared accounts to make the line fairly clear, I'd have thought.
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Post by batchoy on Nov 5, 2014 13:32:49 GMT
Let's say somebody orders or fabricates some minimum-order-quantity batch of widgets for a hobby, then sells the surplus to their fellow hobbyists. Is that a business? If HMRC discover what they are doing or they end up in court over it then yes it is a business, similarly people who sell products beyond personal their own belongings on ebay and at carboot sales are running a business.
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 20, 2014 8:47:07 GMT
Let's say somebody orders or fabricates some minimum-order-quantity batch of widgets for a hobby, then sells the surplus to their fellow hobbyists. Is that a business? If HMRC discover what they are doing or they end up in court over it then yes it is a business, similarly people who sell products beyond personal their own belongings on ebay and at carboot sales are running a business. I think it depends. The existence of a minimum order quantity suggests the person could not get what they wanted for their personal use without getting the surplus as well. This gives some support to the "non trading" view. If it's a one off, and the objective of the sales is to cover costs, it's not a business (even IMO if they end up making a profit, which could be the case if they are unsure how many of the surplus they will sell, and set their price accordingly). But if they do it regularly, with a view to profit, then it's a business. HMRC's guidance is here: www.hmrc.gov.uk/guidance/selling/income.htm
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Post by roni88 on Dec 16, 2014 16:40:11 GMT
Hi everyone! My name is Roni and am a student at IDC conducting research on P2PL. I find this a fascinating field and I'm trying to figure out what is missing at the moment. What investors lack in the existing platforms? I would like to learn from this forum's experiences since it looks like you guys are real experts in this field. What do you like about P2PL? What dont you like? What you lack? What do you think can improved in this area? Thank you very much for your help! Roni.
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Post by webwiz on Dec 19, 2014 18:52:48 GMT
Hi everyone! My name is Roni and am a student at IDC conducting research on P2PL. I find this a fascinating field and I'm trying to figure out what is missing at the moment. What investors lack in the existing platforms? I would like to learn from this forum's experiences since it looks like you guys are real experts in this field. What do you like about P2PL? What dont you like? What you lack? What do you think can improved in this area? Thank you very much for your help! Roni. ISA qualification would help, but I am not optimistic as the concept is so vague, the various platforms so different, that it will be difficult to define. FSCS qualification would also be great but is also unlikely to materialise. Frankly, speaking for myself, I would not be in p2p at all, or at least not much, if interest rates were not so low. We have been forced to accept a scary level of risk in order to get a decent return.
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