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Post by Jack Barlow on Oct 29, 2014 20:57:51 GMT
I'm in that position, and my circle is all grey as you would expect. I'm in a similar position, but my circle is mostly grey with a bit of AC purple. Thanks for your feedback. I've just tested it again by moving all my cash out of my cash account into my MLIA and it's now appearing as in the image in mikes1531's post, which is fine. What I was reporting was it's state a few days ago before I moved external funds into my empty cash account. The bug must have been fixed during the updates that chris referred to in an earlier post. Another tick! EDIT: In my latest test I still had 0.51p left in my cash account, whereas previously when the circles disappeared I had 0p. Maybe that's the reason for the circles now showing?
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Post by star dust on Oct 29, 2014 21:08:37 GMT
Will raise it with the front end team , on a related issue, the grey circle disappears (i.e. turns black) when the MLIA split equals 100% (i.e. no cash in cash account), whereas I would expect it to be all grey. Is anyone else seeing this happen? Yes, mine's doing the same, except mine's at 99.5% as I have an amount less than 1 pence that I can't transfer out! Grey and mauve circle vanished. Well, we just cross posted Jack Barlow, but not fixed for me!
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Post by star dust on Oct 29, 2014 21:15:46 GMT
Successor to the Horseshoe-o-graphThere's still something slightly wrong here, the problem as I see it is that it may say cash %age but the figure is for the MLI a/c And when you flip it to show it the other way it says MLI cash but in fact it's the cash a/c. Maybe I'm missing something (MIMS!) : I don't understand any of your comment above. My chart looks like the image in my previous post. I don't see any reference to cash percentage, and I don't see anything that would allow me to 'flip' it. Am I looking in the wrong place? Where are the controls? I'm glad you said that mikes1531 'cause I thought I'd lost the plot! The bit I did understand though was about 'flipping', if you hover over the mauve bit (or the grey bit) it flips the figures/ comment. What I don't understand is what its measuring as I have some v strange figures depending on how much cash I move out or back again none of which seem to make much sense.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 29, 2014 22:58:50 GMT
Ton ⓉⓞⓃ: I don't understand any of your comment above. My chart looks like the image in my previous post. I don't see any reference to cash percentage, and I don't see anything that would allow me to 'flip' it. Am I looking in the wrong place? Where are the controls? I'm glad you said that mikes1531 'cause I thought I'd lost the plot! The bit I did understand though was about 'flipping', if you hover over the mauve bit (or the grey bit) it flips the figures/ comment. What I don't understand is what its measuring as I have some v strange figures depending on how much cash I move out or back again none of which seem to make much sense. Aha! Thanks, star dust. I'd probably never have found that on my own, as the purple space I have to hover over in order to make the chart 'flip' is rather tiny. When I do, however, I get...  I won't ask chris to explain why a 0.0% portion merits a 2% part of the circle chart. It's probably something to do with rounding! 
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Post by chris on Oct 29, 2014 23:05:38 GMT
I'm glad you said that mikes1531 'cause I thought I'd lost the plot! The bit I did understand though was about 'flipping', if you hover over the mauve bit (or the grey bit) it flips the figures/ comment. What I don't understand is what its measuring as I have some v strange figures depending on how much cash I move out or back again none of which seem to make much sense. Aha! Thanks, star dust. I'd probably never have found that on my own, as the purple space I have to hover over in order to make the chart 'flip' is rather tiny. When I do, however, I get... I won't ask chris to explain why a 0.0% portion merits a 2% part of the circle chart. It's probably something to do with rounding! It's to make it selectable. The chart is under review. It was one of those pretty things that the designer drew that looked good but isn't that practical when actually implemented. I guess it makes a bit more sense when you have multiple investment accounts but we're going to come up with some more super and awesome.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 29, 2014 23:53:55 GMT
Slightly odd entry into my MLIA statement Purchase loan part 1134451 (old id 1124019) for 1.16 GBP - principal 1.16, annualised rate 11.000, loan: South Coast Plumbing & Mechanical Services Loan (99) £-1.15I assumed that the difference between amount purchased and the debit listed against my account was due to rounding but if I hover offer the debit it shows -1.1600000000000000000. My total holding tallies with the higher value. Are there more DP not shown that would lead to a rounding down by a penny? |
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Post by Jack Barlow on Oct 30, 2014 0:06:00 GMT
The chart is under review. It was one of those pretty things that the designer drew that looked good but isn't that practical when actually implemented. I guess it makes a bit more sense when you have multiple investment accounts but we're going to come up with some more super and awesome. , or leave it out and don't replace it, giving you more scope to shrink the height of the black header?
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Post by sqh on Oct 30, 2014 0:15:50 GMT
Slightly odd entry into my MLIA statement Purchase loan part 1134451 (old id 1124019) for 1.16 GBP - principal 1.16, annualised rate 11.000, loan: South Coast Plumbing & Mechanical Services Loan (99) £-1.15I assumed that the difference between amount purchased and the debit listed against my account was due to rounding but if I hover offer the debit it shows -1.1600000000000000000. My total holding tallies with the higher value. Are there more DP not shown that would lead to a rounding down by a penny? Somewhat disconcerting. I thought it was a weird feature of amortising loans but it happened to me today on Kent #84, which is interest only. It was 1 of 7 part sales, the other six were fine.
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Post by chris on Oct 30, 2014 8:19:24 GMT
Slightly odd entry into my MLIA statement Purchase loan part 1134451 (old id 1124019) for 1.16 GBP - principal 1.16, annualised rate 11.000, loan: South Coast Plumbing & Mechanical Services Loan (99) £-1.15I assumed that the difference between amount purchased and the debit listed against my account was due to rounding but if I hover offer the debit it shows -1.1600000000000000000. My total holding tallies with the higher value. Are there more DP not shown that would lead to a rounding down by a penny? Somewhat disconcerting. I thought it was a weird feature of amortising loans but it happened to me today on Kent #84, which is interest only. It was 1 of 7 part sales, the other six were fine. It could be a factor of floating point mathematics in PHP, making it a display only problem. The way computers usually represent numbers is to use a binary fraction where the first binary digit represents 1/2, the next 1/4, then 1/8, and so on in the same way that the left most digits are 1, 2, 4, 8, etc. This is coupled with some of the digits representing an exponential, and is the usual representation of a binary fraction and is very quick inside the CPU with special instructions for handling arithmetic. However you can't represent all fractions accurately using this method. For example using floating point mathematics on the following test 0.3 - 0.2 = 0.1 will return false, even though it's obvious to you and me that it should return true. Normally the errors are tiny, in that example it's something like 10^-17 if memory serves, but as soon as you then add rounding suddenly you can be a penny out, and there are various tricks in both the hardware and software that are used to iron out those errors to a degree. Behind the scenes every number that matters is stored as a 20 decimal place fixed precision number (or greater). This is a different way of representing numbers in the computer, and is a fair bit slower, which is roughly equivalent to writing out each digit and performing calculations on each digit it turn to a defined precision. Using this technique means you'll always know how accurate or not your figures are and by using as many digits as we are we can guarantee that any error is statistically insignificant, which is not something you can do with floating point figures and rounding. However when the numbers are displayed on screen they are usually processed via PHP which uses floating point mathematics. Hence the difference in rounding on this display. I'll get the guys to look into either using fixed precision numbers in PHP, moving this particular end point to our Node API service which definitely supports fixed precision, or using a textual representation straight from the database. Any of those three will fix the display issue.
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Post by thebillet on Oct 30, 2014 8:26:04 GMT
Roughly speaking, that would have been my guess too, honest.
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Post by niceguy37 on Oct 30, 2014 8:52:40 GMT
chris, on a related issue, the grey circle disappears (i.e. turns black) when the MLIA split equals 100% (i.e. no cash in cash account), whereas I would expect it to be all grey. Is anyone else seeing this happen? I'm in that position, and my circle is all grey as you would expect. The numbers are colours are reversed for me at present. It says "Cash Account 96.4%", when in fact it is the MLIA that has 96.4% of my holdings. And the circle is mostly purple, when it should be mostly grey to match the MLIA.
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Post by jackpease on Oct 30, 2014 9:09:18 GMT
At a guess i think the system is multiplying the dregs in cash account by 1,000 then comparing it with my MLIA to get the weird percentage. Bet the algorithm has got the decimal point in the wrong place!
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Post by phoenix on Oct 30, 2014 9:17:05 GMT
Sorry if this has come up before, or I'm just being stupid (entirely possible).
My MLIA is set to Withdraw Repayments (and has been since the first day or two), which I thought meant everything coming back is swept into the CA, but at the moment there's a non-trivial sum in the MLIA "awaiting investment".
Can some kind soul explain this please?
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Post by bigfoot12 on Oct 30, 2014 9:36:54 GMT
I think that if you have money in the MLAI it will stay there or be invested; only repayments are swept across. Did you have money there before you changed the repayment settings? The statement should show you where the money came from.
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Post by sl75 on Oct 30, 2014 9:44:37 GMT
At a guess i think the system is multiplying the dregs in cash account by 1,000 then comparing it with my MLIA to get the weird percentage. Bet the algorithm has got the decimal point in the wrong place! J Looks to me like it's multiplying the cash by 1024 rather than by 1000 (or equivalently dividing the MLIA by 1024), as that's how I get the same %. Or maybe it's doing something even more funky (e.g. multiplying one by 32 and dividing the other by 32).
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