niceguy37
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Post by niceguy37 on Nov 5, 2014 9:18:41 GMT
chris: I was cleaning my inbox and came across the 21/Oct email announcing the release of the new website. It included... I suspect the estimated timings for Phases 2 & 3 have changed somewhat. What is the current thinking? Phase 2 is being launched in conjunction with a third party marketing firm so the exact timings are largely down to them. It's likely to be within the next week or so but somewhat out of my hands. Phase 3 will follow a week after that, this time with the timings determined by our internal marketing team. Well done for trying to sort out most of the issues with the new site before introducing the next phases. I'm looking forward to Phase 3.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 5, 2014 9:21:33 GMT
chris: I was cleaning my inbox and came across the 21/Oct email announcing the release of the new website. It included... I suspect the estimated timings for Phases 2 & 3 have changed somewhat. What is the current thinking? Phase 2 is being launched in conjunction with a third party marketing firm so the exact timings are largely down to them. It's likely to be within the next week or so but somewhat out of my hands. Phase 3 will follow a week after that, this time with the timings determined by our internal marketing team. Will automatic investment filters (to allow you to bespoke your own specifications and criteria) have a filter to limit the maximum % of the loan to hold? If so that will fix the amortisation problem for those who want to use it (as long as it is a % of the current outstanding). chris will it be possible to transfer a holding from MLIA to an automatic account?
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Post by chris on Nov 5, 2014 9:29:24 GMT
Phase 2 is being launched in conjunction with a third party marketing firm so the exact timings are largely down to them. It's likely to be within the next week or so but somewhat out of my hands. Phase 3 will follow a week after that, this time with the timings determined by our internal marketing team. Will automatic investment filters (to allow you to bespoke your own specifications and criteria) have a filter to limit the maximum % of the loan to hold? If so that will fix the amortisation problem for those who want to use it (as long as it is a % of the current outstanding). chris will it be possible to transfer a holding from MLIA to an automatic account? Currently there's no plan to allow transfer of holdings from MLIA into an automatic account, although it's a feature I personally want for my own investment so it's likely to be included by launch or at least soon after. The automated system at the moment allows you to set a maximum holding based on a percentage of your portfolio (default 25%) and a target holding (default 2%) with the system buying loan units up to the maximum when new funds are available and then automatically diversifying as quickly as it can down to the target. Other controls will be added over time. Chris
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Post by Colin on Nov 5, 2014 13:41:41 GMT
Morning Colin, it's not that I don't like the popover sorry I mean the fixed table heading, it's more that I just don't like it... What I mean is it's too fixed and the headings are wrong, but I do like tables as many on the forum will agree. Don't worry, a fix is in the works and we should have something live later this week all being well. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 5, 2014 13:56:56 GMT
When I try to export as CSV all loans (https://www.assetzcapital.co.uk/loans/all/export) I am getting "502 Bad Gateway" with "nginx" underneath. chrisNot urgent as I am able to export both "all loans I am invested in" and "all loans I am not invested in". Strange.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 5, 2014 18:55:41 GMT
That does seem very odd. Will raise it with the guy in charge of session handling as that's not how it's supposed to work. Another web-weirdness to pass on. While logged in and active on other tabs, I opened the "list of my loans" (which should have reset any activity timer) in a new tab. Then I middle-clicked my way down the list (opening multiple loans into new tabs). When I looked up, it had opened about 80% of them in new tabs. The rest of the tabs said "Log in...." -- there was no pattern to it, some were okay, some were not, mixed.
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Post by chris on Nov 5, 2014 18:56:54 GMT
That does seem very odd. Will raise it with the guy in charge of session handling as that's not how it's supposed to work. Another web-weirdness to pass on. While logged in and active on other tabs, I opened the "list of my loans" (which should have reset any activity timer) in a new tab. Then I middle-clicked my way down the list (opening multiple loans into new tabs). When I looked up, it had opened about 80% of them in new tabs. The rest of the tabs said "Log in...." -- there was no pattern to it, some were okay, some were not, mixed. Hmm... I'm going to put on my grumpy face and tell some people off.
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 5, 2014 22:37:14 GMT
At the moment, the system handles buying and selling very differently. If I offer £100 of a loan for sale, and there are ten people who'd like to buy, then each buys £10 worth. But if I try to buy £100 of a loan and there are ten people who'd like to sell, the 'it could be you' finger comes down out of the cloud and selects one lucky winner who gets to sell the whole £100 to me. I really appreciate buying loan parts in small bits and pieces fairly often, and I'd much rather if sales happened the same way -- a bit sold here, a bit sold there, and a resulting feeling that I was making steady progress instead of long periods of drought punctuated by an occasional lightning strike. Logic tells me that over sufficient time the law of averages should mean that the results would be the same for both approaches, but the 'little and often' scheme seems to provide a much better user experience than having to wait for lightning to strike. chris: Is it intended to leave this difference in procedures in place for the foreseeable future? Or is there a plan on the back burner to make the two buyer/seller matching procedures more similar? I hope it's the latter, but if it's the former do I need to add this to the Suggestion Box or will it happen automatically as a result of this message?
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Post by chris on Nov 5, 2014 22:39:57 GMT
mikes1531 - I'd like to move to a proportional system for sellers that mirrors or is at least inspired by the way it works for buyers. However there are formal agreements with the underwriters for how it has to work and the current implementation is bound by that. When time allows I'll have that discussion with the rest of the team so that we can then have a wider discussion with underwriters about changing the way it works. Don't know if that will be a long or short process nor how well received or not it would be with the underwriters.
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 5, 2014 23:27:50 GMT
mikes1531 - I'd like to move to a proportional system for sellers that mirrors or is at least inspired by the way it works for buyers. However there are formal agreements with the underwriters for how it has to work and the current implementation is bound by that. When time allows I'll have that discussion with the rest of the team so that we can then have a wider discussion with underwriters about changing the way it works. Don't know if that will be a long or short process nor how well received or not it would be with the underwriters. chris: I'm probably missing something here, but I would have thought that the law of averages would even things out for underwriters as well. If 90% of what's for sale are underwriters' units then it shouldn't make any difference in the long run whether they get 90% of every sale or 100% of 90% of sales. I suppose there's an issue if they'd be treated as single individuals as is now the case for distributing sales where those are distributed based on the number of lenders wanting to buy rather than being proportional to the amount that lenders want to buy. So some sort of adjustment would have to be necessary to compensate for that. No doubt you can come up with a reasonably equitable plan that would keep the underwriters happy. For starters, you might consider adjusting the current plan so that the units for sale are classified as either underwriter or non-underwriter, and if the random picker chooses to allocate a purchaser to the non-underwriters' units then those transactions would be spread among all the non-underwriters selling. That should mean no difference to the underwriters compared to the current method but a more even distribution of sales among the non-underwriters so the latter would see the benefits of 'little and often'.
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 6, 2014 8:08:58 GMT
At the moment, the system handles buying and selling very differently. If I offer £100 of a loan for sale, and there are ten people who'd like to buy, then each buys £10 worth. But if I try to buy £100 of a loan and there are ten people who'd like to sell, the 'it could be you' finger comes down out of the cloud and selects one lucky winner who gets to sell the whole £100 to me. I really appreciate buying loan parts in small bits and pieces fairly often, and I'd much rather if sales happened the same way -- a bit sold here, a bit sold there, and a resulting feeling that I was making steady progress instead of long periods of drought punctuated by an occasional lightning strike. Logic tells me that over sufficient time the law of averages should mean that the results would be the same for both approaches, but the 'little and often' scheme seems to provide a much better user experience than having to wait for lightning to strike. chris: Is it intended to leave this difference in procedures in place for the foreseeable future? Or is there a plan on the back burner to make the two buyer/seller matching procedures more similar? I hope it's the latter, but if it's the former do I need to add this to the Suggestion Box or will it happen automatically as a result of this message? mikes1531Unless I'm very much mistaken, the change that you advocate would make no difference whatsoever to how quickly you get loan parts. If there are more buyers than sellers, the system already shares the parts around. If there are more sellers than buyers, there is no need to. chrisIt's not a massive deal but I prefer things the way they are. If put in an order for £X of a loan where there are parts available I would prefer this to be met in as few transactions as possible. However, if it turns out that the majority of underwriters would prefer a more proportional method, I won't complain.
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Post by niceguy37 on Nov 6, 2014 8:45:25 GMT
I must admit that I prefer to reduce the transaction count, to minimise transactions below £10, unless that's the remaining balance to be bought or sold. I've ended up with holdings of £1 and £3 on two loans I'm trying to acquire, which is financially insignificant, and I have a 12 page 567 item transaction log since 21 October.
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Post by ramblin rose on Nov 6, 2014 9:00:20 GMT
While we're on the subject of loan chunk sizes - I had a puzzling thing happened a couple of days ago. I used the remaining money in my MLIA to buy £150.46 of a loan that was sitting on the AM, but it came in two chunks: £100 and £50.46. Judging by the loan id numbers, xxxxx01 and xxxxx03, it seems most likely to me that they came from the same person (yes, it's possible that two sellers have the same loan up for sale who just happened to be practically next to each other at bidding/purchase time, but seems unlikely). I thought that in the new system there were not separate chunks and that the whole holding was a single unit which then got broken up for sale, so I'm puzzled as to why it didn't come to me as a single chunk.
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Post by niceguy37 on Nov 6, 2014 9:03:10 GMT
While we're on the subject of loan chunk sizes - I had a puzzling thing happened a couple of days ago. I used the remaining money in my MLIA to buy £150.46 of a loan that was sitting on the AM, but it came in two chunks: £100 and £50.46. Judging by the loan id numbers, xxxxx01 and xxxxx03, it seems most likely to me that they came from the same person (yes, it's possible that two sellers have the same loan up for sale who just happened to be practically next to each other at bidding/purchase time, but seems unlikely). I thought that in the new system there were not separate chunks and that the whole holding was a single unit which then got broken up for sale, so I'm puzzled as to why it didn't come to me as a single chunk. Maybe the person who sold it to you had purchased one of the loan parts since the interest had last been paid. AIUI the loan parts are only amalgamated one a loan repayment has been made, when the accrued interest is reset to zero.
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Post by chris on Nov 6, 2014 9:08:49 GMT
While we're on the subject of loan chunk sizes - I had a puzzling thing happened a couple of days ago. I used the remaining money in my MLIA to buy £150.46 of a loan that was sitting on the AM, but it came in two chunks: £100 and £50.46. Judging by the loan id numbers, xxxxx01 and xxxxx03, it seems most likely to me that they came from the same person (yes, it's possible that two sellers have the same loan up for sale who just happened to be practically next to each other at bidding/purchase time, but seems unlikely). I thought that in the new system there were not separate chunks and that the whole holding was a single unit which then got broken up for sale, so I'm puzzled as to why it didn't come to me as a single chunk. Maybe the person who sold it to you had purchased one of the loan parts since the interest had last been paid. AIUI the loan parts are only amalgamated one a loan repayment has been made, when the accrued interest is reset to zero. Nope, they can be merged at any time. Accrued interest is back calculated at point of payment. There's an algorithm behind the scenes which splits loan units up when they're being sold and distributes those chunks across multiple sellers. It's not been taught that if there's only one seller then that's not necessary, which whilst a sensible optimisation is not essential for it to work. It's on my to do list but lower priority.
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