Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Aug 12, 2019 22:16:44 GMT
There are proposals to ban handsfree in cars and other vehicles. Next will be talking. Perhaps good to keep the “other half’s” quiet but you will need more than 10000 new prison places for parents on “The school run”
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2019 22:27:39 GMT
I'm not so sure. I clearly perceive a difference between talking to somebody in the car with me, and talking to somebody on a mobile phone. Hands free makes no difference. My brain simply works differently when I am on a mobile phone, and it is distracting to me as a driver, whether I am holding it, or whether it is attached to a dashboard.
Think, for example, of when you are on your own in a room talking to somebody on a mobile. You might pace around, you might make gestures with your free hand, you might stare out the window, you might frown or wrinkle your brow, you might do any number of different things. Things that you would not do if the person you were talking to were present. Things that you might be tempted to do if you were in a car, or that might affect your behaviour if you couldn't do them, because you were in a car....
Maybe you work differently?
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Post by martin44 on Aug 12, 2019 22:34:29 GMT
Anyone who wishes to drive a car hands free deserves to be arrested. " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png">
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Aug 12, 2019 22:42:33 GMT
I'm not so sure. I clearly perceive a difference between talking to somebody in the car with me, and talking to somebody on a mobile phone. Hands free makes no difference. My brain simply works differently when I am on a mobile phone, and it is distracting to me as a driver, whether I am holding it, or whether it is attached to a dashboard. Think, for example, of when you are on your own in a room talking to somebody on a mobile. You might pace around, you might make gestures with your free hand, you might stare out the window, you might frown or wrinkle your brow, you might do any number of different things. Things that you would not do if the person you were talking to were present. Things that you might be tempted to do if you were in a car, or that might affect your behaviour if you couldn't do them, because you were in a car.... Maybe you work differently? With hands free you don’t turn round or across to confront someone arguing with you and you can always hang up. Unfortunately we don’t all have a DB7 with passenger ejection seat 💺 and I think passengers are far more distracting.
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Post by daveb on Aug 14, 2019 13:44:06 GMT
Pedant alert.
I think the ejector seat was a feature of the DB5 driven by Sean Connery in Goldfinger. I'm not sure that the DB7 in Bond's more recent outings had that feature, presumably to make room for rocket launchers or the defibrillator.
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Post by benaj on Aug 14, 2019 13:57:07 GMT
Under the current law, it's okay to call 999 or 112 and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop while driving www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-lawBy the time use of hands-free mobile phone devices while driving is banned, it will be outdated again as the technology changes very quickly. May be MPs need to study other "safe usage" in other city such as this one. The professional in the video is using 6 devices in one vehicle. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjLaRQhkNIUNote: the description of the video is misleading. The Driver and the customer did not understand each other due to language barrier. The usual usage for these phones are: map / zello / football result / whatsapp / service booking
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 14:48:50 GMT
When I used to work I worked for a high safety company. We tested driving and speaking hands-free using state of the art traffic simulation devices. It was terrifying and it soon became a sackable offence to use the phone in the car at all. You are just about as competent as a drunk when on the phone while driving.
Seems reasonable, not nanny state at all. But I guess some people just don't care about the safety of themselves or others and just want nanny-NHS to stitch them back together.
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Post by benaj on Aug 14, 2019 14:55:14 GMT
The future could easily be legalising self driving cars and increase sales of those vehicles, then ban them later for other consumer products, the less severe option would be something like self driving surcharge in a congested area.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 14, 2019 14:57:25 GMT
... Think, for example, of when you are on your own in a room talking to somebody on a mobile. You might pace around, you might make gestures with your free hand, you might stare out the window, you might frown or wrinkle your brow, you might do any number of different things. Things that you would not do if the person you were talking to were present. ... You forgot to include "talk VERY LOUDLY"
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Post by michaelc on Aug 14, 2019 15:55:35 GMT
Its safer not to drive at all and even safer not to leave the house. Ideally, we'd all stay in bed.
Why does the state and a boat load of liberal supporters think people are too stupid to make a reasonable decision depending on the circumstances?
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Post by adrianc on Aug 14, 2019 15:59:24 GMT
Why does the state and a boat load of liberal supporters think people are too stupid to make a reasonable decision depending on the circumstances? Because most people certainly appear to be.
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Post by Steerpike on Aug 14, 2019 16:05:29 GMT
Do police motorcyclists use hands free helmet based communications?
Is talking to Google or Waze to be banned?
How about pilots talking to Air Traffic Control?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 14, 2019 19:38:23 GMT
I think if you get caught up in a difficult discussion while driving it car be very dangerous, if it's just I'll be home in 10 mins it's probably fine, if you get a call about what are you doing about a serious work problem which is totally stressing you out and requires you to make a decision and give an answer chances are you are hugely distracted.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 15, 2019 7:58:22 GMT
I think if you get caught up in a difficult discussion while driving it car be very dangerous, if it's just I'll be home in 10 mins it's probably fine, if you get a call about what are you doing about a serious work problem which is totally stressing you out and requires you to make a decision and give an answer chances are you are hugely distracted. The legislation to deal with that "huge distraction" is already there, and always has been. "Careless Driving"/"Driving without Due Care and Attention" - and, ultimately, "Dangerous Driving". Add in "Causing Death by...", where the worst happens as a result. "Carrying out other tasks whilst driving" is explicitly listed in the sentencing guidelines for Careless as a factor increasing culpability. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/careless-driving-drive-without-due-care-and-attention-revised-2017/The explicit banning of mobiles and, potentially, now hands-free is not about that. it's about public perceptions. The ban on hand-held has worked, in those terms. It's changed perceptions and made use socially unacceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 15:27:02 GMT
Hmm
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