FA League of predicted mega failures - summary (FS)
Aug 30, 2019 16:54:32 GMT
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 30, 2019 16:54:32 GMT
1) Wimbledon - total loan £350K loan
predicted loss 100% - Premier League
actual result (barring a miracle) 100% loss
2) Knaresborough - total loan £525k
predicted loss (against main house) 100% - Premier League - correct
second charge on main property £100K - predicted 100% loss - correct
recovery from 2 x BLT properties
£75,160 from sale of 1 of 2 x BLT
sale of 2nd BLT ongoing - hopefully!
3) Whitehaven - total loan of £530K
predicted loss £490K - Premier League -correct actual loss £516,939.72
realised = £13,060.28 = 97.5% loss!
4) 6 Yachts - total loan 145K
predicted loss for the 6 boats £100K - Premier League[/span]
1 boat - loan of 40K sold for £17,449.51 actual loss 54% - League 1
leaves 105K outstanding loan
update 30.09.19 3 boats now sold : recovery to date = £36,427.49/145,000 25%
5) power and endurance boats
5a) endurance boat loan of £938K predicted loss over £500K possibly League 1 if lucky
5b) powerboats boat loan of £1.2m predicted loss over £900K - Premier League
update 30.09.19 unbelievable delay - 2 key date deadlines passed 15th Aug and end Sep and nothing from FS since 30/07/2019. In 10 days time this one will be an incredible 3 years late!
6) Barnoldswick total lent £775K + £64K = £839
main farmhouse - £775K first charge £587K
- second " £188K
above is not looking good!
cottage - £64K - first charge £20K - predicted zero loss.
cottage additional loan £44K - predicted loss £10K - League 2
FS failed to secure a charge against the cottage but will stand behind it
7) South Wales Hotel total loan - 520K
7a) south wales hotel £420K loan predicted loss £120K – league 1 loss
7b) south wales hotel £100K loan predicted loss £100K 100% – Premier
complete disaster as predicted - buyer is paying balance in 8 x 16K monthly stages
already signs of slippage here - July payment still not received as at 7th Sept 2019
however hotel is open and trading
update 30.09.19 borrower is now refinancing so existing payment schedule has gone for a Burton - latest settlement now hopefully November 2019.
7a) gross loss = £420,000 - £358.213 = £61,787K
net loss = £420,000 - £179,327 = £240,637 =54%
loss greater than predicted but still league 1 as predicted
7b) total 100% loss as predicted - I think this is the 3rd 100% property loan loss - amazing!
update 21-09-19 - borrower is looking to refinance hence monthly repayments already late
8) Military and Time Piece Collection
still trying to make sense of this one as I can't balance it
predicted loss 150K league 1
has been partial recovery - to be confirmed I make
total lent £86,2046.01 with £47,8745.36 recovered
viz 56% recovered to date
9a) 2 P*** Homes
7 x £33K loans = £231K lent as first/second/third charges.
First charge 5 x 33K = 165K – recovered 13,840 viz 91.6% loss
Second charge 1 x 33K – recovered – zero - 100% loss
Third charge 1 x 33K – recovered – zero - 100% loss
9b) 5 p*** homes loans : 3 x £57K = £171K lent as first charge
= recovery of £24,893.10 viz 85.4% loss!
Overall FS lent £231 + £171 = £402K with overall return of £13,840 + £24,893,10
= 38,733.10/402,000 = 9.6% recovery or 90.4% loss!
Adrian77 prediction: First charge league1 but actual was Premier league
Other charges 100% loss as predicted
10) Trains
very confusing as to what is actually happening - I think a 50% recovery on one loan has already been made so to simplify I have this one as loan outstanding of £57K with predicted loss of £30K cost League 1
update 20.01.19 seems to be just under 75% capital loss I had this one as 50% loss league one will look at this one again
11) Newcastle student flats
loan £860K predicted loss £360K– League 1
12) Cinema :called 100% wrong - prediction league 1 actual 100% recovery plus interest
13) Mixed Use Property, Liverpool
loan total £625K I am guessing the recovery will be around £0.5m Thus I have this one as a very generous League 2 i.e. over 25% loss but it could make the Premiership.
update 26.01.19 actual loss £625K - £440.5K i.e. £184.5k loss = 30% loss - league 2 as predicted
14) East Ham Property loan
£77K (second charge) utter disaster predicted loss of over 75% - Premiership
was for sale, then withdrawn - goodness knows
15) Land Lytham St Annes
very confusing ! I think we have a first charge on £2.85m and a second charge on £500K. , seems to be grossly overvalued...nasty! In fact this one may be a real disaster.
generous League 2 for the first and a 100% Premier League loss for the second charge
seems to be linked to Rishton (no 18)
16) VIP
update 26.12.18 loan partially repaid and is now £52K this one may came good...
17) artwork : Chagall, Picasso, Impressionists, Lowry, Auerbach, Vases, Artwork
this just gets worse and worse – still not defaulted and FS claiming there may be a recovery
18) Rishton
loan of £610K - this one is now 890 days late!
a £210K loss and a very generous League 1 predicted
seems to be linked to Lytham St Annes (no 15) which is very worrying.
19) Norfolk Farmhouse with land
confusing however second charge of £50K - by the time the first charge holder has had his interest and fees etc there is unlikely to be anything left over so Premier League and could well be a 100% loss
20) Related : 6 bed house in Norfolk
£350K - think a small to modest haircut here (unless refinancing comes about) so a predicted £50K loss viz a generous League 3 loss at 15%
I think £315K has been recovered from property sale so that leaves a £35K shortfall
21) Development plot Liverpool - total loan £0.7m
This has a first charge of £600K and a second charge of £100K
I am giving the first charge a very generous 50% loss viz £300K i.e. League 1 but may well be Premier League. As to the second charge a belter of a Premier League which looks like another 100% loss to me (said that before!)
update 08/02/19 Capital loan has been partially repaid but loan over a year late
22) Reading 2 x 1 bed flats £195K : League 2
No survey , no verification of PP for conversion and running extremely late
I predict ,at best, about a £100K loss so a very generous League 2 although if there are any tenant or planning issues could easily be Premier League with a loss of over £140K
update 18.11.20 - looks like a 100% loss due to incorrect paperwork - well that's one explanation
23) Roddymoor
Main loan £861K : League 3
Supplementary loan £114 : Premier League
Predict very generous league 3 whereas supplementary charge – 100% loss.
update 23/10/21 - need checking when I get time
total borrowed £1.14m - Primary loans 50.7% capital returned supplementary loan 100% loss as predicted
24) Formby
Main charge £815K - League 2
Second charge £180K - Premier League
Third charge £77K - Premier League
I can see this one realising ,at best, about £700K net so main loan a very generous League 2 with second and 3rd charge predicted 100% loss
actual result - main charge including rental income net recovery of £664,622.11 = 81.5% / 18.5% loss
- second charge 100% loss
- third charge 100% loss
25) bar in Londonderry
predicted loss league 2 but a league 1 or higher loss would not surprise me
26) Spilsby
think FS have been a bit unlucky here but it did not sell at auction for a lot less that the valuation. I don't think this one will be too bad so giving it a 20% loss i.e. League 3
27) *est *erby Road Liverpool
update 26.12.18 I think we have 1st charge of £630K and 2nd charge of £198K = £828K
I predict £600K max and hence league 1 - 30% loss overall with the second charges being wiped out
28) B******d Rd, Wirral 3222209939.
£378K - prime loan of should just about be OK ?
£100K - second facility of £100,000 - 50% loss i.e. league 2
£104K - supplementary facility I think 3rd charge of £104K - total loss
Again may come good as FS have a deed of priority against lender who has a second charge on another property...
This is linked to other loans -see excellent mrclondon post
p2pindependentforum.com/thread/10789 [Mod edit-link update to avoid naming]
28-08-20 - offer of 500K has been accepted - awiting final figures
place mark to be confirmed
Investors Capital Return in Primary Facility £378,000.00 = 100%
Investors Interest Return in Primary Facility £ 36,343.42 = 24%
(3222209939,1826254035,5749535596,13655 60268,4347447313,2147296927)
Investors Return in Secondary and Supplemental facilities £ 0.00
(1056846866,2431556591,3013580830,2455055751, 1850023361)
yet another complete horlicks and wi#orse than I predicted
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29) New Brighton
first charge 100% recovery
second charge 50% if lucky
rest 100% loss
update 30.09.19 – last sale fell through – possible sale end Nov
30) V**** Bridge Mill
30a) first charge £1.25m 0% loss
30b) second charge £222K quite possibly 100% loss but say 50% loss
30c) third charge (I think) £28K 100% loss
update 08/02/19 £222K loan over 4 months late – £38K loan due next week
31) C*elms Quarry
2867890404 £770K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
3075461346 £830K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
update 30.09.19 seems to be progressing well and on budget
32) Shepton Mallet
I think the following 2 have the same borrower ?
32a) Shepton Mallet Building
2291716796 £135K borrowed - predicted loss 0%
841204597 £50K borrowed '' '' 50% league ` possible premier league
32b) Shepton Mallet land
7071679925 £265K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
33 R***y hall
prediction 50% loss league 1
update 16.02.19 -partial interest paid but loan is nearly 2 months late
34 The *ell
prediction generous overall 50% loss with later charges being 100% loss league 1/premier
FS have reported this one this one as an overall 40% loss
but I make the final result phase 1 and 2 37% loss and the supplementary loans as 100% loss :
loan loan K realised K outstanding K recovery
Phase 1 575 420.587 154.413 0.73
Phase 1 supp 115 0 115 0.00
Phase 2 1040 760.682 279.318 0.73
Phase 2 supp 250 0 250 0.00
---------------------------------------------------
overall 1980 1181.269 798.731 0.60
adrian77 prediction phase 1/2 league 1 actual was league 2
supplementary 100% loss - premier league correct
35) Barnett
prediction generous 50% loss
qq will expand here
36) A***d Road The Wirral
prediction 25% loss - league 2 but could easily be closer to 50%
qq will expand here
update 16.02.19 - still waiting for report £830K due 31.03.18...
place mark 24/03/21 lent £899,500 - to be confirmed
Total recoveries £445,350.00
Investors return £282,219.04
viz 617281 loss = 68.6% loss
£5k retained which may be returned at a later date
whatever worse than I predicted yet another total horlicks
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37) C**den Street Liverpool
£312K second charge may be re-financed - still waiting - nearly 6 months late
prediction over 50% loss could well be premier league but say league 1
38) D***ds Green
called 100% wrong full recovery with interest - predicted league 1
need to check but I think total loan was £848K
39) West **** R**d Liverpool
first charge £630K prediction 100% recovery
second charge over 50% loss league 1
40) Zummerzet Properties
FS second charge £344K may just about be OK ?
FS third charge £100K have this one as a 50% loss league 2
QQ need to check the below
I think the first charge holder has increased his lending so if correct that won't help the
FS loans...
predicted loss 100% - Premier League
actual result (barring a miracle) 100% loss
2) Knaresborough - total loan £525k
predicted loss (against main house) 100% - Premier League - correct
second charge on main property £100K - predicted 100% loss - correct
recovery from 2 x BLT properties
£75,160 from sale of 1 of 2 x BLT
sale of 2nd BLT ongoing - hopefully!
3) Whitehaven - total loan of £530K
predicted loss £490K - Premier League -correct actual loss £516,939.72
realised = £13,060.28 = 97.5% loss!
4) 6 Yachts - total loan 145K
predicted loss for the 6 boats £100K - Premier League[/span]
1 boat - loan of 40K sold for £17,449.51 actual loss 54% - League 1
leaves 105K outstanding loan
update 30.09.19 3 boats now sold : recovery to date = £36,427.49/145,000 25%
5) power and endurance boats
5a) endurance boat loan of £938K predicted loss over £500K possibly League 1 if lucky
5b) powerboats boat loan of £1.2m predicted loss over £900K - Premier League
update 30.09.19 unbelievable delay - 2 key date deadlines passed 15th Aug and end Sep and nothing from FS since 30/07/2019. In 10 days time this one will be an incredible 3 years late!
6) Barnoldswick total lent £775K + £64K = £839
main farmhouse - £775K first charge £587K
- second " £188K
above is not looking good!
cottage - £64K - first charge £20K - predicted zero loss.
cottage additional loan £44K - predicted loss £10K - League 2
FS failed to secure a charge against the cottage but will stand behind it
7) South Wales Hotel total loan - 520K
7a) south wales hotel £420K loan predicted loss £120K – league 1 loss
7b) south wales hotel £100K loan predicted loss £100K 100% – Premier
complete disaster as predicted - buyer is paying balance in 8 x 16K monthly stages
already signs of slippage here - July payment still not received as at 7th Sept 2019
however hotel is open and trading
update 30.09.19 borrower is now refinancing so existing payment schedule has gone for a Burton - latest settlement now hopefully November 2019.
7a) gross loss = £420,000 - £358.213 = £61,787K
net loss = £420,000 - £179,327 = £240,637 =54%
loss greater than predicted but still league 1 as predicted
7b) total 100% loss as predicted - I think this is the 3rd 100% property loan loss - amazing!
update 21-09-19 - borrower is looking to refinance hence monthly repayments already late
8) Military and Time Piece Collection
still trying to make sense of this one as I can't balance it
predicted loss 150K league 1
has been partial recovery - to be confirmed I make
total lent £86,2046.01 with £47,8745.36 recovered
viz 56% recovered to date
9a) 2 P*** Homes
7 x £33K loans = £231K lent as first/second/third charges.
First charge 5 x 33K = 165K – recovered 13,840 viz 91.6% loss
Second charge 1 x 33K – recovered – zero - 100% loss
Third charge 1 x 33K – recovered – zero - 100% loss
9b) 5 p*** homes loans : 3 x £57K = £171K lent as first charge
= recovery of £24,893.10 viz 85.4% loss!
Overall FS lent £231 + £171 = £402K with overall return of £13,840 + £24,893,10
= 38,733.10/402,000 = 9.6% recovery or 90.4% loss!
Adrian77 prediction: First charge league1 but actual was Premier league
Other charges 100% loss as predicted
10) Trains
very confusing as to what is actually happening - I think a 50% recovery on one loan has already been made so to simplify I have this one as loan outstanding of £57K with predicted loss of £30K cost League 1
update 20.01.19 seems to be just under 75% capital loss I had this one as 50% loss league one will look at this one again
11) Newcastle student flats
loan £860K predicted loss £360K– League 1
12) Cinema :called 100% wrong - prediction league 1 actual 100% recovery plus interest
13) Mixed Use Property, Liverpool
loan total £625K I am guessing the recovery will be around £0.5m Thus I have this one as a very generous League 2 i.e. over 25% loss but it could make the Premiership.
update 26.01.19 actual loss £625K - £440.5K i.e. £184.5k loss = 30% loss - league 2 as predicted
14) East Ham Property loan
£77K (second charge) utter disaster predicted loss of over 75% - Premiership
was for sale, then withdrawn - goodness knows
15) Land Lytham St Annes
very confusing ! I think we have a first charge on £2.85m and a second charge on £500K. , seems to be grossly overvalued...nasty! In fact this one may be a real disaster.
generous League 2 for the first and a 100% Premier League loss for the second charge
seems to be linked to Rishton (no 18)
16) VIP
update 26.12.18 loan partially repaid and is now £52K this one may came good...
17) artwork : Chagall, Picasso, Impressionists, Lowry, Auerbach, Vases, Artwork
this just gets worse and worse – still not defaulted and FS claiming there may be a recovery
18) Rishton
loan of £610K - this one is now 890 days late!
a £210K loss and a very generous League 1 predicted
seems to be linked to Lytham St Annes (no 15) which is very worrying.
19) Norfolk Farmhouse with land
confusing however second charge of £50K - by the time the first charge holder has had his interest and fees etc there is unlikely to be anything left over so Premier League and could well be a 100% loss
20) Related : 6 bed house in Norfolk
£350K - think a small to modest haircut here (unless refinancing comes about) so a predicted £50K loss viz a generous League 3 loss at 15%
I think £315K has been recovered from property sale so that leaves a £35K shortfall
21) Development plot Liverpool - total loan £0.7m
This has a first charge of £600K and a second charge of £100K
I am giving the first charge a very generous 50% loss viz £300K i.e. League 1 but may well be Premier League. As to the second charge a belter of a Premier League which looks like another 100% loss to me (said that before!)
update 08/02/19 Capital loan has been partially repaid but loan over a year late
22) Reading 2 x 1 bed flats £195K : League 2
No survey , no verification of PP for conversion and running extremely late
I predict ,at best, about a £100K loss so a very generous League 2 although if there are any tenant or planning issues could easily be Premier League with a loss of over £140K
update 18.11.20 - looks like a 100% loss due to incorrect paperwork - well that's one explanation
23) Roddymoor
Main loan £861K : League 3
Supplementary loan £114 : Premier League
Predict very generous league 3 whereas supplementary charge – 100% loss.
update 23/10/21 - need checking when I get time
total borrowed £1.14m - Primary loans 50.7% capital returned supplementary loan 100% loss as predicted
24) Formby
Main charge £815K - League 2
Second charge £180K - Premier League
Third charge £77K - Premier League
I can see this one realising ,at best, about £700K net so main loan a very generous League 2 with second and 3rd charge predicted 100% loss
actual result - main charge including rental income net recovery of £664,622.11 = 81.5% / 18.5% loss
- second charge 100% loss
- third charge 100% loss
25) bar in Londonderry
predicted loss league 2 but a league 1 or higher loss would not surprise me
26) Spilsby
think FS have been a bit unlucky here but it did not sell at auction for a lot less that the valuation. I don't think this one will be too bad so giving it a 20% loss i.e. League 3
27) *est *erby Road Liverpool
update 26.12.18 I think we have 1st charge of £630K and 2nd charge of £198K = £828K
I predict £600K max and hence league 1 - 30% loss overall with the second charges being wiped out
28) B******d Rd, Wirral 3222209939.
£378K - prime loan of should just about be OK ?
£100K - second facility of £100,000 - 50% loss i.e. league 2
£104K - supplementary facility I think 3rd charge of £104K - total loss
Again may come good as FS have a deed of priority against lender who has a second charge on another property...
This is linked to other loans -see excellent mrclondon post
p2pindependentforum.com/thread/10789 [Mod edit-link update to avoid naming]
28-08-20 - offer of 500K has been accepted - awiting final figures
place mark to be confirmed
Investors Capital Return in Primary Facility £378,000.00 = 100%
Investors Interest Return in Primary Facility £ 36,343.42 = 24%
(3222209939,1826254035,5749535596,13655 60268,4347447313,2147296927)
Investors Return in Secondary and Supplemental facilities £ 0.00
(1056846866,2431556591,3013580830,2455055751, 1850023361)
yet another complete horlicks and wi#orse than I predicted
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29) New Brighton
first charge 100% recovery
second charge 50% if lucky
rest 100% loss
update 30.09.19 – last sale fell through – possible sale end Nov
30) V**** Bridge Mill
30a) first charge £1.25m 0% loss
30b) second charge £222K quite possibly 100% loss but say 50% loss
30c) third charge (I think) £28K 100% loss
update 08/02/19 £222K loan over 4 months late – £38K loan due next week
31) C*elms Quarry
2867890404 £770K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
3075461346 £830K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
update 30.09.19 seems to be progressing well and on budget
32) Shepton Mallet
I think the following 2 have the same borrower ?
32a) Shepton Mallet Building
2291716796 £135K borrowed - predicted loss 0%
841204597 £50K borrowed '' '' 50% league ` possible premier league
32b) Shepton Mallet land
7071679925 £265K borrowed predicted loss 50% league 1
33 R***y hall
prediction 50% loss league 1
update 16.02.19 -partial interest paid but loan is nearly 2 months late
34 The *ell
prediction generous overall 50% loss with later charges being 100% loss league 1/premier
FS have reported this one this one as an overall 40% loss
but I make the final result phase 1 and 2 37% loss and the supplementary loans as 100% loss :
loan loan K realised K outstanding K recovery
Phase 1 575 420.587 154.413 0.73
Phase 1 supp 115 0 115 0.00
Phase 2 1040 760.682 279.318 0.73
Phase 2 supp 250 0 250 0.00
---------------------------------------------------
overall 1980 1181.269 798.731 0.60
adrian77 prediction phase 1/2 league 1 actual was league 2
supplementary 100% loss - premier league correct
35) Barnett
prediction generous 50% loss
qq will expand here
36) A***d Road The Wirral
prediction 25% loss - league 2 but could easily be closer to 50%
qq will expand here
update 16.02.19 - still waiting for report £830K due 31.03.18...
place mark 24/03/21 lent £899,500 - to be confirmed
Total recoveries £445,350.00
Investors return £282,219.04
viz 617281 loss = 68.6% loss
£5k retained which may be returned at a later date
whatever worse than I predicted yet another total horlicks
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37) C**den Street Liverpool
£312K second charge may be re-financed - still waiting - nearly 6 months late
prediction over 50% loss could well be premier league but say league 1
38) D***ds Green
called 100% wrong full recovery with interest - predicted league 1
need to check but I think total loan was £848K
39) West **** R**d Liverpool
first charge £630K prediction 100% recovery
second charge over 50% loss league 1
40) Zummerzet Properties
FS second charge £344K may just about be OK ?
FS third charge £100K have this one as a 50% loss league 2
QQ need to check the below
I think the first charge holder has increased his lending so if correct that won't help the
FS loans...