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Post by jonah on Oct 2, 2016 13:49:04 GMT
elseeIt would depend on how much you are allocated. Some pretty low figures recently. The key with AC though, I believe, is to set a target and let it do its thing. People are selling parts at various times and quite a bit of that can be picked up if you have a target. Yes it will be shrapnel and yes it will vary, but as it all merges automatically, getting parts 'just works'. At least for modest targets.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 2, 2016 17:46:19 GMT
Ton I'm buying into three of the four that currently have underwriting called and have put funds in to cover them all. I'm new to AC (am in RS, FC and SS), what happens if you don't have the funds available? Would I effectively buy into the three up to the amount of funds I have? I didn't get anything in one I was buying into earlier in the week so ended up with cash in the sweep up account so I'm loathe to keep topping up on a promise. (I'm spoilt by the SS INPL) thanks Elsee (newbie) There are some exceptions but as jonah says set the target you want and let the magic happen. If you're looking to buy a few hundred pounds you'll probably get it over the course of a month if the overall size of the loan is more than say £200k. If it's less than £100k there'll be less to go round and you'll probably never get your full target. If your trying to buy in the range of £1000's experience so far says it's a waste of time unless the loan is quite large or really disliked perhaps because of low rate etc. When (if) the number of loans really starts to pick up to a few a week then that might change. Many of the loans also qualify for other accounts such as the GEIA or GBBA and these such up units too making it harder for MLIA Users. So there's a lot going on. The other thing is I often think we're overly concerned that money is sitting there doing nothing not earning interest (cash drag). So long as you haven't regularly got a high proportion of your hard earnt rotting, it's an issue that just comes with the territory.
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Post by elsee on Oct 3, 2016 10:59:19 GMT
Thanks Ton and Jonah, I'll persevere. Unfortunately it's not 1,000s (I wish), just 100s I'm moving out of RS for a better rate.
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Post by lynnanthony on Oct 3, 2016 11:21:19 GMT
Thanks Ton and Jonah, I'll persevere. Unfortunately it's not 1,000s (I wish), just 100s I'm moving out of RS for a better rate. Possibly it is not obvious (and apologies if I'm stressing what you already realise) but it is best (IMHO) not to just concentrate on up and coming loans. Bring up the whole loan book ("Browse Loans") and work through putting buy orders in for any loan you like the look of. People are selling all the time and their sales get spread between people with buy orders. Over time you can pick up good holdings in some. (And none or pennies in others). It seems a lot of work initially to work through the whole loan book but it can be done gradually and once done it's done.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 3, 2016 11:35:16 GMT
Thanks Ton and Jonah, I'll persevere. Unfortunately it's not 1,000s (I wish), just 100s I'm moving out of RS for a better rate. Possibly it is not obvious (and apologies if I'm stressing what you already realise) but it is best (IMHO) not to just concentrate on up and coming loans. Bring up the whole loan book ("Browse Loans") and work through putting buy orders in for any loan you like the look of. People are selling all the time and their sales get spread between people with buy orders. Over time you can pick up good holdings in some. (And none or pennies in others). It seems a lot of work initially to work through the whole loan book but it can be done gradually and once done it's done. Agreed. I started my AC toedip with a "There's nothing available..." mindset, and then watched nothing much get invested in the GBBA/GEIA for ages. Finally, I decided to spend a bit of time going through the existing loans - and have not only got all my initial toe-dip invested (at a better rate, albeit without the PF), but I'm putting more money in. It's painless apart from that initial run-through the docs.
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Post by lobster on Oct 3, 2016 12:20:06 GMT
Possibly it is not obvious (and apologies if I'm stressing what you already realise) but it is best (IMHO) not to just concentrate on up and coming loans. Bring up the whole loan book ("Browse Loans") and work through putting buy orders in for any loan you like the look of. People are selling all the time and their sales get spread between people with buy orders. Over time you can pick up good holdings in some. (And none or pennies in others). It seems a lot of work initially to work through the whole loan book but it can be done gradually and once done it's done. Agreed. I started my AC toedip with a "There's nothing available..." mindset, and then watched nothing much get invested in the GBBA/GEIA for ages. Finally, I decided to spend a bit of time going through the existing loans - and have not only got all my initial toe-dip invested (at a better rate, albeit without the PF), but I'm putting more money in. It's painless apart from that initial run-through the docs. Mmmm , if you have money queued up for a number of loans, I would think you would have to keep a VERY close eye on these loans for the following reason : If something were to go awry with one (or more) of the loans (eg. a breach of covenant ?) this could well result in existing loan holders selling quickly , and you therefore get your requested position filled before you've had a chance to reconsider the wisdom of it, given the breach of covenant (or whatever). Hope that makes some kind of sense ?
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Post by davidricketts1 on Oct 3, 2016 13:19:41 GMT
Agreed. I started my AC toedip with a "There's nothing available..." mindset, and then watched nothing much get invested in the GBBA/GEIA for ages. Finally, I decided to spend a bit of time going through the existing loans - and have not only got all my initial toe-dip invested (at a better rate, albeit without the PF), but I'm putting more money in. It's painless apart from that initial run-through the docs. Mmmm , if you have money queued up for a number of loans, I would think you would have to keep a VERY close eye on these loans for the following reason : If something were to go awry with one (or more) of the loans (eg. a breach of covenant ?) this could well result in existing loan holders selling quickly , and you therefore get your requested position filled before you've had a chance to reconsider the wisdom of it, given the breach of covenant (or whatever). Hope that makes some kind of sense ?
I'll step in here.
Anything deemed significantly serious to advise lenders of (and which may result in existing loan unit holders selling their holdings) generally sees all existing lender targets being set as disabled to allow everyone the chance to read the updates before buying into the loan.
This is a manual process though.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 3, 2016 14:00:29 GMT
Agreed. I started my AC toedip with a "There's nothing available..." mindset, and then watched nothing much get invested in the GBBA/GEIA for ages. Finally, I decided to spend a bit of time going through the existing loans - and have not only got all my initial toe-dip invested (at a better rate, albeit without the PF), but I'm putting more money in. It's painless apart from that initial run-through the docs. Mmmm , if you have money queued up for a number of loans, I would think you would have to keep a VERY close eye on these loans for the following reason : If something were to go awry with one (or more) of the loans (eg. a breach of covenant ?) this could well result in existing loan holders selling quickly , and you therefore get your requested position filled before you've had a chance to reconsider the wisdom of it, given the breach of covenant (or whatever). Hope that makes some kind of sense ? Unless there was some seriously organised rumour-mill, the first a lender would know would be a loan comment - which would put the buy orders on hold.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 3, 2016 14:35:29 GMT
tonyr : I thought one of those five actually did draw down -- #337 -- and the other four weren't expected to draw down until next week, so they're still on the 'coming soon' list. Have I missed something? Yes, Underwriting called. Unless I am very much mistaken, there were 5 upcoming loans all with estimated drawdown of 30th September for most of Friday. Some/all appeared on Friday and the Friday date persisted to about 6pm (give or take a few minutes). Now I don't know all the details, but AC have quite a process to get through (which is why loans always draw down in the afternoon) and it just feels as though they must have known that these weren't going to make the whole process before 6pm. At 6pm on Friday I'd expect people to be going home, not kicking off a draw down process. Of course I could be hallucinating - so you're sure that the other four weren't expected to draw down until next week? tonyr: I'm afraid I can't be a lot of help here. I can't be sure about anything because I don't have notes or screen grabs. I can't even tell you exactly what the time was when I made my observations. It could have been after 6pm on Friday, so the differences between your recollections and mine could be the result of changes made between the time you looked and the time I looked. Sorry 'bout that!
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Post by baz657 on Oct 3, 2016 15:27:45 GMT
I'll step in here.
Anything deemed significantly serious to advise lenders of (and which may result in existing loan unit holders selling their holdings) generally sees all existing lender targets being set as disabled to allow everyone the chance to read the updates before buying into the loan.
This is a manual process though.
That also assumes that Assetz has in fact has any knowledge of any potential problems. I've often been made aware on these pages (by the constant vigilance of members that you'd wish some of the P2P platforms had) of various problems on many loans on different platforms, often days or weeks before the platform themselves are aware and act. My sincere thanks go to any forum member who has offered any advice or given any piece of news, good or bad, in the past which we can all act on.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Oct 3, 2016 15:40:32 GMT
Yes, Underwriting called. Unless I am very much mistaken, there were 5 upcoming loans all with estimated drawdown of 30th September for most of Friday. Some/all appeared on Friday and the Friday date persisted to about 6pm (give or take a few minutes). Now I don't know all the details, but AC have quite a process to get through (which is why loans always draw down in the afternoon) and it just feels as though they must have known that these weren't going to make the whole process before 6pm. At 6pm on Friday I'd expect people to be going home, not kicking off a draw down process. Of course I could be hallucinating - so you're sure that the other four weren't expected to draw down until next week? tonyr : I'm afraid I can't be a lot of help here. I can't be sure about anything because I don't have notes or screen grabs. I can't even tell you exactly what the time was when I made my observations. It could have been after 6pm on Friday, so the differences between your recollections and mine could be the result of changes made between the time you looked and the time I looked. Sorry 'bout that! There were 5 loans upcoming last Friday 30 September when I looked, four to draw down 30 September, and the D******opoulos one was due for 3 October. edit ... and now since I posted, the one for today (D******opoulos) has been deferred until Wednesday, the others range from 4th to 7th October.
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Post by elsee on Oct 4, 2016 15:14:38 GMT
Thanks both. I'd browsed the loans but as everything I wasn't invested in showed zero available I assumed I wouldn't get a nibble.
Will now start fishing!
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Post by daveb4 on Oct 5, 2016 6:25:06 GMT
#36 Hotel update - read this three times now and still not sure of the implications? On the basis they are looking to make this available on the market again in next few days I trust relatively safe. My main concern is around safety of security, not so much about value but we definitely have the security tied up securely.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Oct 5, 2016 8:15:38 GMT
I read this again and again last night and am still a bit confused.However the company going into liquidation provided some form of security for the loan and if that company no longer exists the security of the loan overall is reduced.The value given to those securities may have been valued at £0 for the purpose of calculating the ltv but it had some value and greater risk, higher interest rate plse. Getting tired of borrowers who seem to think they can forget, ignore or change the terms of the loan without talking to AC and us.Sorry punishment and lession teaching may influence any vote that may occur on this one,given the chance for me.
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Post by jonah on Oct 5, 2016 8:35:44 GMT
I'll just be selling out I suspect given the opportunity. Once someone starts messing with company structure it isn't a good thing imho.
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