arby
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Post by arby on Oct 27, 2019 11:58:50 GMT
Of course everyone is free to take whatever security measures they feel appropriate, but my name, a fake birthday, and a list of people I occasionally interact with is the extent of information a Facebook breach could give away. Most people enter way more information than that. but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options? To join up to this action group which is the purpose of this thread. Individuals are stating they want to join but don't want to join Facebook due to privacy concerns. As you rightly say, it's up to the user how much information we supply to Facebook.
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Post by mrk on Oct 27, 2019 12:13:40 GMT
Most people enter way more information than that. but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options? To join up to this action group which is the purpose of this thread. Individuals are stating they want to join but don't want to join Facebook due to privacy concerns. As you rightly say, it's up to the user how much information we supply to Facebook. Fair enough. Of course there would be another solution, that is to move the group somewhere other than Facebook.
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Post by pip on Oct 27, 2019 13:19:51 GMT
Just my view but enough of the facebook conspiracy theory. If somebody doesn’t want to join the Facebook group that’s your decision. If you want to set up some other group which meets your privacy requirements go for it. Please though start another thread for this and let this be on the FS action group which somebody has very kindly started.
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Post by iRobot on Oct 27, 2019 13:49:58 GMT
Of course everyone is free to take whatever security measures they feel appropriate, but my name, a fake birthday, and a list of people I occasionally interact with is the extent of information a Facebook breach could give away. Most people enter way more information than that. Facebook is designed to encourage users to share as much as possible. They make money from targeted advertising, the more they know about each user the better. Other sources like banks and government agencies are more restricted in what they collect and how they're regulated. They don't expose an API that lets anyone extract user data. Facebook is simply not designed for privacy. Yes you can work around it by entering fake data and being very careful, but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options? I certainly agree with your first sentence though, everyone is free to do whatever they want. Rightly or wrongly, Facebook has a certain brand awareness. Press mentioning 'an action group on Facebook now has 1000 supporters' carries a lot more impact than 'an action group on an internet forum now has 1000 members'. The 'public' nature of the hosting platform won't be lost on the Administrators or the FCA. Sometimes the best tool for the job at hand, isn't always the preferred tool .
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Post by mrk on Oct 27, 2019 13:50:51 GMT
Just my view but enough of the facebook conspiracy theory. If somebody doesn’t want to join the Facebook group that’s your decision. If you want to set up some other group which meets your privacy requirements go for it. Please though start another thread for this and let this be on the FS action group which somebody has very kindly started. I said in my first message I'm grateful to the organisers for setting up the action group. Discussing where the group should be hosted seemed entirely appropriate for this thread, that started with a suggestion to form a group. I have now made my case and won't press it further, but Facebook has been fined $5bn for privacy violations just earlier this year, that's not exactly a conspiracy theory.
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Post by df on Oct 27, 2019 16:43:40 GMT
Can understand some having a reluctance to join Facebook. Probaby several reasons. If its giving away too much info as far as I know all you need is an email to join and that email could simply be a new throw-away one. I think no picture is required or anything they FB or others could harvest. Worth doing IMO Yes, apart from your basic details will be stored somewhere one can be very anonymous on facebook. I can't remember exactly what details they ask for, I joined FB ages ago, but I think it was just a valid e-mail address (name and DOB can be made up).
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Post by rogerthat on Oct 27, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
Of course everyone is free to take whatever security measures they feel appropriate, but my name, a fake birthday, and a list of people I occasionally interact with is the extent of information a Facebook breach could give away. Most people enter way more information than that. Facebook is designed to encourage users to share as much as possible. They make money from targeted advertising, the more they know about each user the better. Other sources like banks and government agencies are more restricted in what they collect and how they're regulated. They don't expose an API that lets anyone extract user data. Facebook is simply not designed for privacy. Yes you can work around it by entering fake data and being very careful, but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options? I certainly agree with your first sentence though, everyone is free to do whatever they want. I haven't even begun to catch up with all the unread forum posts as ive tried not to spoil my enjoyment of the RWC this weekend. However that finishes next week and then far more important matters resurface. I still have (I think) a FB account which has remained dormant for the last millennia for various reasons, all which probably match other peoples reservations more or less. However, the size of my potential loss dictates that I am prepared to try whatever I can if it in any way shape or form, mitigates those losses, without broadcasting it to my next door neighbour or the world at large. Could you expand on your comment above please ?
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Post by mrk on Oct 27, 2019 21:01:48 GMT
Yes you can work around it by entering fake data and being very careful, but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options?I haven't even begun to catch up with all the unread forum posts as ive tried not to spoil my enjoyment of the RWC this weekend. However that finishes next week and then far more important matters resurface. I still have (I think) a FB account which has remained dormant for the last millennia for various reasons, all which probably match other peoples reservations more or less. However, the size of my potential loss dictates that I am prepared to try whatever I can if it in any way shape or form, mitigates those losses, without broadcasting it to my next door neighbour or the world at large. Could you expand on your comment above please ? Yesterday's game was unbelievable. Speaking as a neutral, I've never seen the All Blacks so comprehensively defeated before. By "other options" I was talking about places where you can create a forum / discussion group, instead of creating a Facebook group. This forum for example is hosted on ProBoards, and you can create your own forum for free there. (It even says so at the bottom of this page.) But for whatever reason people have already created a Facebook group. I'm not aware of "other options" to access a Facebook group other than having a Facebook account, just to be clear.
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Post by mrk on Oct 27, 2019 22:19:45 GMT
Please, for the sake of everybody and my patience please don't post another post about your concerns about getting a facebook account. Quite frankly if you are as annoying and unhelpful as you already sound it would be in everybody's favour, and my sanity, if you were not in any group that I am in. Uh? I just replied to somebody asking me "Could you expand on your comment above please ?". Not sure what you're getting so worked up about.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Oct 27, 2019 22:25:10 GMT
Yes you can work around it by entering fake data and being very careful, but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options?I haven't even begun to catch up with all the unread forum posts as ive tried not to spoil my enjoyment of the RWC this weekend. However that finishes next week and then far more important matters resurface. I still have (I think) a FB account which has remained dormant for the last millennia for various reasons, all which probably match other peoples reservations more or less. However, the size of my potential loss dictates that I am prepared to try whatever I can if it in any way shape or form, mitigates those losses, without broadcasting it to my next door neighbour or the world at large. Could you expand on your comment above please ? Yesterday's game was unbelievable. Speaking as a neutral, I've never seen the All Blacks so comprehensively defeated before. By "other options" I was talking about places where you can create a forum / discussion group, instead of creating a Facebook group. This forum for example is hosted on ProBoards, and you can create your own forum for free there. (It even says so at the bottom of this page.) But for whatever reason people have already created a Facebook group. I'm not aware of "other options" to access a Facebook group other than having a Facebook account, just to be clear. "People", yes we have taken (donated) our time to create and maintain a facebook page, as a means of helping FS lenders. Our mission statement is: 1. To act as a point of support and provide co-ordination, news and information to FundingSecure investors affected by the collapse of the platform. 2. To work collectively to recover our investment. 3. To be a voice for lenders to the administrator, regulators and press. 4. To explore potential opportunities for further actions if required. All lenders are free to use the FB page to discuss and air their points/concerns/questions/assumptions etc (within reason!). Any lenders with any specific info on FS (particularly if you worked in the office of FS), and wish to forward us information to aid us in our mission and help afflicted lenders, please contact me. Grateful thanks to everyone who supports us, we will do our best for you.
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Post by defaultinator5000 on Oct 27, 2019 22:34:24 GMT
 , the reason why Facebook group was created and not some obscure message board is because majority of people already have Facebook profiles and use it on a daily basis. Hence, it is the most convenient way for people to communicate and stay on top of relevant information. The silent majority are absolutely fine with a Facebook group and welcome it with open arms. A bit ironic that people who entrusted a wild-west style p2p platform (FS) with their hard earned cash are so skeptical of a large social media platform where one can easily enter fake information and/or conceal it from the public eye.
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Post by rogerthat on Oct 27, 2019 22:39:46 GMT
Yes you can work around it by entering fake data and being very careful, but at that point why choose Facebook in the first place when there are other options?I haven't even begun to catch up with all the unread forum posts as ive tried not to spoil my enjoyment of the RWC this weekend. However that finishes next week and then far more important matters resurface. I still have (I think) a FB account which has remained dormant for the last millennia for various reasons, all which probably match other peoples reservations more or less. However, the size of my potential loss dictates that I am prepared to try whatever I can if it in any way shape or form, mitigates those losses, without broadcasting it to my next door neighbour or the world at large. Could you expand on your comment above please ? Yesterday's game was unbelievable. Speaking as a neutral, I've never seen the All Blacks so comprehensively defeated before. By "other options" I was talking about places where you can create a forum / discussion group, instead of creating a Facebook group. This forum for example is hosted on ProBoards, and you can create your own forum for free there. (It even says so at the bottom of this page.) But for whatever reason people have already created a Facebook group. I'm not aware of "other options" to access a Facebook group other than having a Facebook account, just to be clear. Thanks for your reply..yes I saw 'the group' had already been created..perhaps a few days canvassing on optional ideas might have been a worthwhile exercise at the outset ? From a personal point of view my first pint cost me 1s 3d and I never even saw a calculator by the time I finished my education, so pretending to be meeja savvy let alone computer literate (I manage) isn't second nature. Of course I have no idea how many have already enlisted or whether that total represents a microscopic proportion of investors lead up the garden path by our agents at Stokenchurch. Clearly with a purported LB of c£80m, I'm guessing I'm not just one of a handful of unlucky mugs investors, sucked into this quagmire of incompetence, falsehoods and unattainable returns. As it seems, the originators of this group are likely all volunteers and investors themselves I don't wish to be seen as raining on their parade and I haven't the foggiest what information they intend to publish via a medium that by its very nature may be susceptible to prying eyes and/or ne'er do wells as it seems we have enough of those already in Administration. Perhaps one or more of the volunteers could answer my concerns on the forum thread when they can find a few moments and in the meantime consider any possible other mediums where those interested can be kept up to date (other than the official website) Thanks Edit..Oh Dear ..Ive just glanced but not read the previous recent entries, so perhaps I'll log out after all before the need for a tin hat arrives
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Post by arby on Oct 28, 2019 8:41:23 GMT
Yesterday's game was unbelievable. Speaking as a neutral, I've never seen the All Blacks so comprehensively defeated before. By "other options" I was talking about places where you can create a forum / discussion group, instead of creating a Facebook group. This forum for example is hosted on ProBoards, and you can create your own forum for free there. (It even says so at the bottom of this page.) But for whatever reason people have already created a Facebook group. I'm not aware of "other options" to access a Facebook group other than having a Facebook account, just to be clear. Thanks for your reply..yes I saw 'the group' had already been created..perhaps a few days canvassing on optional ideas might have been a worthwhile exercise at the outset ? From a personal point of view my first pint cost me 1s 3d and I never even saw a calculator by the time I finished my education, so pretending to be meeja savvy let alone computer literate (I manage) isn't second nature. Of course I have no idea how many have already enlisted or whether that total represents a microscopic proportion of investors lead up the garden path by our agents at Stokenchurch. Clearly with a purported LB of c£80m, I'm guessing I'm not just one of a handful of unlucky mugs investors, sucked into this quagmire of incompetence, falsehoods and unattainable returns. As it seems, the originators of this group are likely all volunteers and investors themselves I don't wish to be seen as raining on their parade and I haven't the foggiest what information they intend to publish via a medium that by its very nature may be susceptible to prying eyes and/or ne'er do wells as it seems we have enough of those already in Administration. Perhaps one or more of the volunteers could answer my concerns on the forum thread when they can find a few moments and in the meantime consider any possible other mediums where those interested can be kept up to date (other than the official website) Thanks Edit..Oh Dear ..Ive just glanced but not read the previous recent entries, so perhaps I'll log out after all before the need for a tin hat arrives A Facebook group requires maybe 5% of impacted FS customers to create an account. A group on another platform could require 95% of users to sign up. The choice is obvious. For all its failings, Facebook does achieve its goal of connecting people which is the whole purpose of this initiative (and for the unconvinced, as I keep saying, one can sign up with fake details if so inclined)
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Post by Mikeme on Oct 28, 2019 8:50:58 GMT
Just tell me where I sign up. A united front and The higher the value invested the greater the need the administrators must consult.
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Post by pip on Oct 28, 2019 9:03:57 GMT
Just wanted to apologise for my previous post. I lost my cool and it was not on. Moderators rightly removed. Hope not too much offence was caused and we can all work together constructively going forward,
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, the reason why Facebook group was created and not some obscure message board is because majority of people already have Facebook profiles and use it on a daily basis. Hence, it is the most convenient way for people to communicate and stay on top of relevant information.