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Post by rhea117 on Dec 21, 2019 10:35:41 GMT
Their increasing fee is one issue. There will be an audit trail and timesheets etc. All that money going to Lendy or/and LB just feels wrong. RSM and the FCA should be on our side and fighting for our money. At the very least to restore some of the P2P reputation. Sides, feelings and fighting don't come into it. There's contract law, which there's no point in fighting unless you know a very expensive lawyer who reckons they can outsmart the serried ranks sitting behind RSM and our mate Liam. As for restoring P2P's reputation... I know the small print sucks for us. If the FCA had any common sense they would retrospectively change the law. Once Lendy went into administration due to mismanagement, mis-selling, lying and cheating, all owner/managers should forfeit their right to any future disbursements.
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Post by 11025 on Dec 22, 2019 9:45:41 GMT
Sides, feelings and fighting don't come into it. There's contract law, which there's no point in fighting unless you know a very expensive lawyer who reckons they can outsmart the serried ranks sitting behind RSM and our mate Liam. As for restoring P2P's reputation... I know the small print sucks for us. If the FCA had any common sense they would retrospectively change the law. Once Lendy went into administration due to mismanagement, mis-selling, lying and cheating, all owner/managers should forfeit their right to any future disbursements. If , what was found during the administration resulted in criminal proceedings being brought then would that alter the situation ?
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Post by brightspark on Dec 22, 2019 10:24:29 GMT
Their increasing fee is one issue. There will be an audit trail and timesheets etc. All that money going to Lendy or/and LB just feels wrong. RSM and the FCA should be on our side and fighting for our money. At the very least to restore some of the P2P reputation. Sides, feelings and fighting don't come into it. There's contract law, which there's no point in fighting unless you know a very expensive lawyer who reckons they can outsmart the serried ranks sitting behind RSM and our mate Liam. As for restoring P2P's reputation... The FCA have powers to challenge unfair terms in financial services consumer contracts. They have these powers as a regulator under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA), and as a qualifying body under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs). Using these powers they may seek an undertaking from a firm that it will amend or remove an unfair contract term from its future consumer contracts. They can also apply to a court for an injunction to prevent a firm from using or enforcing the term against its existing customers. They coordinate their work with the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), which has a leadership role in enforcing both the CRA and the UTCCRs. That should help you to sleep better of a night.
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Post by rhea117 on Dec 22, 2019 10:29:43 GMT
Sides, feelings and fighting don't come into it. There's contract law, which there's no point in fighting unless you know a very expensive lawyer who reckons they can outsmart the serried ranks sitting behind RSM and our mate Liam. As for restoring P2P's reputation... The FCA have powers to challenge unfair terms in financial services consumer contracts. They have these powers as a regulator under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA), and as a qualifying body under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs). Using these powers they may seek an undertaking from a firm that it will amend or remove an unfair contract term from its future consumer contracts. They can also apply to a court for an injunction to prevent a firm from using or enforcing the term against its existing customers. They coordinate their work with the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), which has a leadership role in enforcing both the CRA and the UTCCRs. That should help you to sleep better of a night. Good points thanks. Does anyone know if this is being looked into? RSM surely will not transfer any of Lendy's money to LB until this has been considered?
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Post by 11025 on Dec 22, 2019 10:37:40 GMT
The FCA have powers to challenge unfair terms in financial services consumer contracts. They have these powers as a regulator under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA), and as a qualifying body under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs). Using these powers they may seek an undertaking from a firm that it will amend or remove an unfair contract term from its future consumer contracts. They can also apply to a court for an injunction to prevent a firm from using or enforcing the term against its existing customers. They coordinate their work with the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), which has a leadership role in enforcing both the CRA and the UTCCRs. That should help you to sleep better of a night. Good points thanks. Does anyone know if this is being looked into? RSM surely will not transfer any of Lendy's money to LB until this has been considered? I was given the link to Unfair terms by RSM and think this must be worth following up , with this and the possibility of proceedings there may be some assistance to Lenders .
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Post by billy169 on Dec 22, 2019 10:45:12 GMT
But does that mean the FCA did or didn't judge the terms valid before awarding full FCA ??
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Post by brightspark on Dec 22, 2019 11:09:42 GMT
I don't think at that time they would have or been obliged to take a view.
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Post by one21 on Dec 22, 2019 15:59:48 GMT
But does that mean the FCA did or didn't judge the terms valid before awarding full FCA ?? Good point - it’s certainly worth finding out exactly what their criteria was before becoming fully authorised!
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Post by one21 on Dec 22, 2019 16:06:41 GMT
What is so infuriating is we own 1st charge over the assets of these defaulted loans. If there is going to be next to nothing left after RSM and Lendy have taken their cut, wouldn’t it be great if we could sack them both and keep the assets until such a time as we can sell them for a reasonable return!
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 22, 2019 23:58:25 GMT
What is so infuriating is we own 1st charge over the assets of these defaulted loans. If there is going to be next to nothing left after RSM and Lendy have taken their cut, wouldn’t it be great if we could sack them both and keep the assets until such a time as we can sell them for a reasonable return! You need to read the security charges ... the beneficiaries of the charges are Lendy (savingstream), SSSH, lenders, IP and any delegates of them. Lendy were always entitled to a part of the recoveries. The issue is whether thay are entitled to a sum disproprionate to the services they have provided ie the default interest. Sacking RSM/Lendy wont change the facts.
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Post by duck on Dec 23, 2019 5:10:13 GMT
The FCA have powers to challenge unfair terms in financial services consumer contracts. They have these powers as a regulator under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA), and as a qualifying body under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs). ..... The issue here is the way in which the FCA operates, it is a reactive body not proactive. It might act if fed information (the mini bonds issues show they are not very not at all reactive) but since the exact terms (and their implications) were to investors at the time unknown/opaque no challenge was / could be made. Whilst I cannot be certain what went on for the long time between Lendy applying for full Part 4A approval and it being granted there is nothing in the Part 4A application paperwork that suggests this issue will have been examined. Of course you can ask the questions directly of the FCA via a FOI words along the lines of - Did the FCA examine and approve Lendy's Consumer Terms and Conditions before granting Full Permissions?
- Did the FCA examine and approve the 'payments waterfall' (in particular default payments) before granting Full Permissions?
I can't say they will answer since there is an investigation in progress ..... That however is water under the bridge now, the FCA have firmly washed their hands of Lendy with their statement. I note RSM have pointed 11025 back to the FCAs " Unfair contract terms" which gives us a circle, FCA passes to RSM and RSM passes to the FCA who have already said all inquiries shoud be directed to RSM. If raised with the FCA they might add the issue to their 'investigation' as noted on their statement but as anybody who is involved with Col will know these investigations can stretch on for years. If this matter is to be sorted IMHO it needs to be officially (and legally) raised with RSM. I am not on the CC or even a member of LAG so I don't know if this has already been done but if this matter is to be raised now is the time before payments are made, distributed and salted away.
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Post by jay2 on Dec 23, 2019 8:29:16 GMT
I'd encourage anyone who hasn't to sign up to the LAG site so you can see and get involved with what's happening. I don't think I'm betraying any confidences by saying the LAG are pushing back!
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Post by one21 on Dec 23, 2019 9:42:28 GMT
What is so infuriating is we own 1st charge over the assets of these defaulted loans. If there is going to be next to nothing left after RSM and Lendy have taken their cut, wouldn’t it be great if we could sack them both and keep the assets until such a time as we can sell them for a reasonable return! You need to read the security charges ... the beneficiaries of the charges are Lendy (savingstream), SSSH, lenders, IP and any delegates of them. Lendy were always entitled to a part of the recoveries. The issue is whether thay are entitled to a sum disproprionate to the services they have provided ie the default interest. Sacking RSM/Lendy wont change the facts. Thanks ilmoro, it was just wishful thinking on my part. Metaphorically throwing cards up in the and seeing what lands. Any loopholes we can exploit etc - Lendy have failed in their capacity as our Agents, we are the only party standing to loose capital, and others gaining from it.
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Post by brightspark on Dec 23, 2019 10:12:11 GMT
The FCA have powers to challenge unfair terms in financial services consumer contracts. They have these powers as a regulator under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA), and as a qualifying body under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs). ..... The issue here is the way in which the FCA operates, it is a reactive body not proactive. It might act if fed information (the mini bonds issues show they are not very not at all reactive) but since the exact terms (and their implications) were to investors at the time unknown/opaque no challenge was / could be made. Whilst I cannot be certain what went on for the long time between Lendy applying for full Part 4A approval and it being granted there is nothing in the Part 4A application paperwork that suggests this issue will have been examined. Of course you can ask the questions directly of the FCA via a FOI words along the lines of - Did the FCA examine and approve Lendy's Consumer Terms and Conditions before granting Full Permissions?
- Did the FCA examine and approve the 'payments waterfall' (in particular default payments) before granting Full Permissions?
I can't say they will answer since there is an investigation in progress ..... That however is water under the bridge now, the FCA have firmly washed their hands of Lendy with their statement. I note RSM have pointed 11025 back to the FCAs " Unfair contract terms" which gives us a circle, FCA passes to RSM and RSM passes to the FCA who have already said all inquiries shoud be directed to RSM. If raised with the FCA they might add the issue to their 'investigation' as noted on their statement but as anybody who is involved with Col will know these investigations can stretch on for years. If this matter is to be sorted IMHO it needs to be officially (and legally) raised with RSM. I am not on the CC or even a member of LAG so I don't know if this has already been done but if this matter is to be raised now is the time before payments are made, distributed and salted away. I would agree that by their previous statement the FCA were distancing themselves from the problems of Lendy. However the fact remains that the role of Administrators is limited by statute i.e. they have a narrow focus. The FCA has a much wider remit and should be examining the wider issues urgently. If Lendy's rapacious behaviour goes unchallenged it has the potential to be replicated on any platform at any time. I currently have a £50K p to p exposure so am not comfortable with the FCA's current stance which looks too much like sticking head in sand. Following on I could not help but empathise with the views expressed in yesterdays Sunday Times Business Section letters, by a member of the public drawing attention to Section 172 of the Companies Act 2006 which apparently provides broad powers to bring errant directors to court. An errant director in this context would be one who had not acted in a manner that promoted the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole. Membership includes staff, suppliers, customers and creditors, so pretty all-encompassing.
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Post by shimself on Dec 23, 2019 11:24:05 GMT
typo not at all PROactive
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