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Post by cb25 on Apr 9, 2020 14:50:45 GMT
Wrt interpreting the 'new deaths' figures published daily in the UK, BBC reports "NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus. It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April. The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March"
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 9, 2020 15:31:37 GMT
Wrt interpreting the 'new deaths' figures published daily in the UK, BBC reports "NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus. It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April. The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March" Seems like a lot, but for some cause of death may have been determined after post mortem.
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Post by kmac on Apr 9, 2020 15:35:31 GMT
When I started my National Service in 1949, I am sure we were all given a BCG Vaccination. It was done by all of us (30+) standing in line with our left sleeves rolled up and an medical orderly use a swab to clean our upper arm and the doctor passed down the line with a needle and vaccinated us. Both the orderly and the doctor did not change the swab or the needle at any time! Somehow we survived. Is this process done 61 years ago still valid?
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Post by iren on Apr 9, 2020 16:12:08 GMT
For any who saw my post a few days ago regarding plans for burials of London coronavirus victims outside of London, the plan has now been changed. It’s now the gravediggers who will be sent into London from elsewhere, rather than the bodies brought to them.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 9, 2020 16:37:39 GMT
Wrt interpreting the 'new deaths' figures published daily in the UK, BBC reports "NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus. It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April. The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March" AIUI, they publish the numbers daily in spreadsheets here: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/The numbers refer to the newly released stats only which covers the period from inception until today. In particular, the additionals don't just cover today. AIUI, the reason for this is that they need permission from relatives to release the numbers. If that is true, than at the end of this somewhere far down the "Do Differently" list should be something which ensures better harmony across nations and also that when someone dies, their anonymous statistics can be used without permission from anyone.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 9, 2020 16:53:21 GMT
Wrt interpreting the 'new deaths' figures published daily in the UK, BBC reports "NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus. It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April. The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March" AIUI, they publish the numbers daily in spreadsheets here: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/The numbers refer to the newly released stats only which covers the period from inception until today. In particular, the additionals don't just cover today. AIUI, the reason for this is that they need permission from relatives to release the numbers.If that is true, than at the end of this somewhere far down the "Do Differently" list should be something which ensures better harmony across nations and also that when someone dies, their anonymous statistics can be used without permission from anyone. I've heard that reason before in the media, but don't believe it as it suggests that if relative don't give permission, the person isn't counted. In car crashes (say), before relatives have been contacted the media will say "three people were killed in a car crash today", then later - when the relatives have been informed - "Mr & Mrs XXX and their son YYY were killed in a car crash recently".
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Post by star dust on Apr 9, 2020 17:14:47 GMT
That's not their only use - this one seems to have helped the Faroe Islands' fight the virus
Perhaps the UK Government could have learned some testing lessons, I hear we have a fishing industry.....
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Post by cb25 on Apr 9, 2020 17:15:16 GMT
Today's figures (7/4), again from DHSC, 55,242 cases/6,159 deaths, increases of 3,634/786 resp. Another drop in cases, jump in registered deaths (possibly including some from the weekend, where registered deaths are often lower). 786 dead in one day is highest UK has seen, previous highest was 708. Average new deaths over last 3 days is 615.33, which is lower than 708 on 4/4. Today's figures (8/4), again from DHSC, 60,733 cases/7,097 deaths, increases of 5,491/938 resp. Today's figures (9/4), this time from the daily press conference, 65,077 cases/7,978 deaths, increases of 4,344/881 resp. New cases down about 1,100, new deaths down a little (in fact a little more than the figures suggest because 57 of the 'new' deaths actually occurred in March).
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Post by masher on Apr 9, 2020 18:25:11 GMT
But asymptotic people are spreading the virus unwittingly, that's why we are all getting put in lockdown , not just those displaying symptoms. Yes, we would need to educate the public to put on and take off a mask, although the risk is minimal unless you poke your fingers in nose or mouth whilst putting on said mask and your hands are infected. The mask will have virus on it, so washing hands before and after is imperative, so is sanitising the mask after removal. The benefits of masks far outway any costs. The problem is we have a severe lack of masks, so asking the entire population to wear them will be near impossible in the short and medium term, and will enviably lead to a reduced supply to those who need them. Remember, the governments aim is herd immunity, in contrast to other nations, hence the vast majority of us will end up being infected, a mask will reduce the dose and lead to better outcomes. Alternatively, don't spend long in confined spaces with other people. I thought the governments aim was to slow the spread of the virus to allow the NHS to cope and to develop treatments and vaccines. Inevitably in the meantime a lot of people will become immune which also becomes helpful in slowing the spread. I thought other nations were pretty much doing the same thing. Correct, they are trying not to slow the spread of the virus so that of health service isn't overwhelmed. The point is the government is not trying to stop the spread of the virus, instead employing a strategy of controlled spread of the virus. This differs from say China, where they are trying aggressively to stamp out the virus.
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Post by travolta on Apr 9, 2020 19:54:23 GMT
I'm coming round to the idea of letting out young fit people and and banging up the old and sick. Its about time some of us came to terms that we are not entitled to live for ever at the expense of everyone else.
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Post by star dust on Apr 9, 2020 19:57:55 GMT
Looks like the chief medical officer in Scotland has been caught driving for an hour to visit her second home (cue grovelling appology ala Stephen Kinnock).
Does the arrogance of these people know no bounds?
Apparently not....
Clearly he was just parroting the auto prompt party line.
"The housing and communities minister has delivered a consistent message in his public statements in recent weeks:
Sky News, 22 March:
The advice today is very clear: we need to stay at home all bar the most essential activities, and by doing that we’ll protect the NHS and help to save lives. I know it’s Mother’s Day and I know it’s tough and it goes against everything that we want to do as a family, but don’t go and see your mum. Give her a phone call, Skype her, FaceTime her, tell her that you love her and that we’re going to get through this together." source also Guardian.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 9, 2020 20:07:09 GMT
Looks like BJ might be out of the woods. At least he is said to be in "extremely high spirits" presumably because he moves away from a room full of lights, bleeps and bodys to the more pleasant ward on top of the building with lovely views of the Thames. Good luck to him and everyone else who has or is suffering.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 9, 2020 20:13:57 GMT
I thought the governments aim was to slow the spread of the virus to allow the NHS to cope and to develop treatments and vaccines. Inevitably in the meantime a lot of people will become immune which also becomes helpful in slowing the spread. I thought other nations were pretty much doing the same thing. Correct, they are trying not to slow the spread of the virus so that of health service isn't overwhelmed. The point is the government is not trying to stop the spread of the virus, instead employing a strategy of controlled spread of the virus. This differs from say China, where they are trying aggressively to stamp out the virus. I assume this 'not' should not be there! But China can only attempt to do that because they can apparently track everybody by their mobile phones and hence find all previous contacts, ie, if a victim was in a particular train carriage at a particular time maybe five days ago they can identify and track everyone else in that carriage. Not possible here, I hope! And even then they would be days behind the spread by the time someone is seriously ill.
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Post by dan1 on Apr 9, 2020 20:28:08 GMT
Correct, they are trying not to slow the spread of the virus so that of health service isn't overwhelmed. The point is the government is not trying to stop the spread of the virus, instead employing a strategy of controlled spread of the virus. This differs from say China, where they are trying aggressively to stamp out the virus. I assume this 'not' should not be there! But China can only attempt to do that because they can apparently track everybody by their mobile phones and hence find all previous contacts, ie, if a victim was in a particular train carriage at a particular time maybe five days ago they can identify and track everyone else in that carriage. Not possible here, I hope! And even then they would be days behind the spread by the time someone is seriously ill. I bet you're wrong! If not, then what do the likes of GCHQ et al actually do? I, unfortunately(!), do not have any inside info!
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 9, 2020 20:46:37 GMT
I assume this 'not' should not be there! But China can only attempt to do that because they can apparently track everybody by their mobile phones and hence find all previous contacts, ie, if a victim was in a particular train carriage at a particular time maybe five days ago they can identify and track everyone else in that carriage. Not possible here, I hope! And even then they would be days behind the spread by the time someone is seriously ill. I bet you're wrong! If not, then what do the likes of GCHQ et al actually do? I, unfortunately(!), do not have any inside info!I could answer that question, but I'd have to shoot you afterwards. ;-)
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