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Post by r00lish67 on Oct 29, 2020 12:12:13 GMT
That's not to dismiss genetics, average age of population, health, climate etc entirely of course. Those obviously are factors. It just looks to me like not letting it get out of control is by far the main thing. PL/CZ are perfect examples - locking down hard and fast in March = very few deaths. This time around = different story.I think I am minded to agree, in which case - China is now sitting on an unexploded mine hoping that it can be defused by a vaccine before anyone kicks it too hard...? Well, they did have an outbreak in Beijing in June, which they managed to control. This article says " The campaign didn’t use sophisticated tracing technology. Instead, this was a large-scale operation using Communist Party, state, private sector and non-profit organisations that relied largely on mobilising people."To ascertain who might have been infected, teams of volunteers, community workers, and Party and state personnel knocked on doors, made phone calls, stopped people entering residential compounds and contacted people on WeChat, the Chinese messaging app. They asked whether people had been to certain markets since May 30 and, if so, sought further details. Clear instructions were given: “If you’ve been to one of these places, contact your local community office immediately.”So a low-tech, regionalised, hands-on approach it seems. With probably far more intrusion than 'the West' would be willing to tolerate. It seems that might be enough perhaps to control it..
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Post by Mike on Oct 29, 2020 12:22:38 GMT
I think I am minded to agree, in which case - China is now sitting on an unexploded mine hoping that it can be defused by a vaccine before anyone kicks it too hard...? Isn't everybody? I'm far from being a supporter of the Chinese regime, but IMHO they are far more likely to avoid large scale disorder / social disruption than pretty much any other country, including the UK. Yes - but the size of the potential problem seems (at least it might be, taken from last nights comments on PL etc) to depend on the population exposure-to-date -I am speculating that China may have a bigger potential problem if there is no proper vaccine for a long long time than Sweden or the UK, where it is claimed 6 figures currently being infected daily - probably many more exposed - in addition to all those that were exposed in Feb & March where things were normal
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Post by benaj on Oct 29, 2020 12:22:45 GMT
It does beg the question of the £10bn price tag of “world beating” system
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Post by Mike on Oct 29, 2020 12:27:57 GMT
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Post by r00lish67 on Oct 29, 2020 12:43:08 GMT
Give it a few months, suspect there'll be a few more world-beating systems to add to the competition.
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Post by mrk on Oct 29, 2020 12:47:57 GMT
I am speculating that China may have a bigger potential problem if there is no proper vaccine for a long long time There are reports that hundreds of thousands of people in China have already been given a vaccine, even before the end of the clinical trials.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 29, 2020 13:31:21 GMT
I am speculating that China may have a bigger potential problem if there is no proper vaccine for a long long time There are reports that hundreds of thousands of people in China have already been given a vaccine, even before the end of the clinical trials. Hundreds of people queuing to get vaccinated in China, reported by the beeb on 17th (for a fee!). www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-54582150Edit: I may have posted about it at the time, but this thread grows.
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Post by Steerpike on Oct 29, 2020 13:51:52 GMT
Well blow me down, an NHS IT project failure?
I think that we have been experiencing these for decades, the worst I remember was John Prescott's 2002 National Program for IT, the biggest civilian IT project ever, that frittered away over £12bn, more in today's money of course, rather charmingly, Two Jabs blamed it on the Civil Servants.
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Post by registerme on Oct 29, 2020 14:03:07 GMT
I've just read that the English, Scottish and Welsh track and trace app data isn't aggregated or interoperable. Can anybody confirm that?
Why do we need three different apps? At the worst surely different branding would do it?
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Post by registerme on Oct 29, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
Well blow me down, an NHS IT project failure? My radiologist friend recounted this experience of NHS IT to me. His NHS trust decided to implement a new radiology MIS. They managed to do so without talking to any of the radiologists or radiographers who were going to have to use the new system. My friend instructed his staff to stop using the new system, and revert to pen and paper, when he nearly killed a patient through mis-diagnosis because the new system asked him to review a scan for patient A, only it was actually from patient B. Yup. The new system associated scans, their results / reporting on them, and patients incorrectly. I can't remember how much it cost, but it wasn't peanuts. Screwing up like that is so egregious it should be a criminal offense. They did sort it out... eventually, but....
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Post by dan1 on Oct 29, 2020 14:16:57 GMT
I found listening to reports of the abuse endured by healthcare workers particularly difficult to take.
Sobering
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Post by registerme on Oct 29, 2020 19:17:09 GMT
Another good one from Dr Rant today:-
"Dear General Public. Here are some figures from NHS England which you won't see in the news today.
GP surgery appointments - 26.6 million in September 2020, an increase of 20% in workload from this time last year. Over half of these appointments (GP, nurse, other practitioners) were face to face (56.6%).
We've been working flat out over the last 8 months, despite many of us and our staff having to self-isolate or becoming ill.
So the next time you hear the usual frothing anti-GP rhetoric from hate-pamphlets such as the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph, or from the army of dissatisfied adult toddlers on social media, kindly inform them to go and **** themselves".
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 29, 2020 19:57:16 GMT
I found listening to reports of the abuse endured by healthcare workers particularly difficult to take. Sobering
"It's difficult for them and it's difficult for us aswell" said the ICU doctor around the abuse part of things.
The other side of the story being that where I'm, we had a man in March/April time who was id-ed (hospital id) as a doctor who was angry (mad) at us with little real provocation and ended up by saying "I hope you and your family get covid and die" - pressure does things to people - basically I'd say ignore it but chat about it amongst your colleagues
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Post by adrianc on Oct 30, 2020 8:16:25 GMT
Another good one from Dr Rant today:- "Dear General Public. Here are some figures from NHS England which you won't see in the news today. GP surgery appointments - 26.6 million in September 2020, an increase of 20% in workload from this time last year. Over half of these appointments (GP, nurse, other practitioners) were face to face (56.6%). We've been working flat out over the last 8 months, despite many of us and our staff having to self-isolate or becoming ill. So the next time you hear the usual frothing anti-GP rhetoric from hate-pamphlets such as the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph, or from the army of dissatisfied adult toddlers on social media, kindly inform them to go and **** themselves". I have been trying to see a GP about something relatively minor. In north of a month, I have had... * one brief phone conversation with the GP (diarised a week in advance) * a urine test (pick bottle up at convenience, drop back later, chase results a week later) * a blood test (two week lead time for appointment with healthcare assistant, now approaching a fortnight with no word of the results). In the last week, there were five positive covid tests in this region of the county.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 30, 2020 8:53:22 GMT
Another good one from Dr Rant today:- "Dear General Public. Here are some figures from NHS England which you won't see in the news today. GP surgery appointments - 26.6 million in September 2020, an increase of 20% in workload from this time last year. Over half of these appointments (GP, nurse, other practitioners) were face to face (56.6%). We've been working flat out over the last 8 months, despite many of us and our staff having to self-isolate or becoming ill. So the next time you hear the usual frothing anti-GP rhetoric from hate-pamphlets such as the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph, or from the army of dissatisfied adult toddlers on social media, kindly inform them to go and **** themselves". I have been trying to see a GP about something relatively minor. In north of a month, I have had... * one brief phone conversation with the GP (diarised a week in advance) * a urine test (pick bottle up at convenience, drop back later, chase results a week later) * a blood test (two week lead time for appointment with healthcare assistant, now approaching a fortnight with no word of the results). In the last week, there were five positive covid tests in this region of the county. If it's like my GP they don't bother to tell you the results if they are OK. Best to ring to make sure they got the results!
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