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Post by benaj on Dec 24, 2020 14:46:21 GMT
Operation moonshoot must be a dream, given the current capacity testing the lorry drivers, what’s the chance for Rapid Mass testing?
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Post by agent69 on Dec 24, 2020 15:32:58 GMT
... Can we really get back to alert level three before Easter? I am not so sure. Denial, delusion, dither, delay, until desperate panic makes lockdown of anything and everything the only medium term tool in the toolbox. Definitely lost control ever increasingly from about three month ago and it’ll take a multiple number of months to regain any semblance of control. But heh, BoJo was half right. It’ll be back to normal by Christmas; he was just wrong about the year, it’ll be Christmas 2021 that might be normal. I can’t easily attach much probability to good news this side of Summer. But even this government can’t botch things up so badly that the Summer’s natural dampening of viral spread doesn’t help massively and by then the vaccination programs impact should be kicking in noticeably and increasingly so. But for now we’re all in BoJo’s inflicted Darkest Six Months which coincide closely with the equinox driven 6 months - late September to late March. The first three of those months were when policy error on policy error was made but with little short term visible cost. These next three months is Corona Virus Payback for those errors. The only silver lining being that we're not alone in being up s**t creek without a paddle. We may have the mutated virus at the minute, but you can guarantee that the rest of Europe will be getting it shortly.
AZ vaccine data has just been submitted for approval, so hopefully by the new year that can be rolled out to suitable candidates, helping to drive down infection rates.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 24, 2020 16:03:09 GMT
Denial, delusion, dither, delay, until desperate panic makes lockdown of anything and everything the only medium term tool in the toolbox. Definitely lost control ever increasingly from about three month ago and it’ll take a multiple number of months to regain any semblance of control. But heh, BoJo was half right. It’ll be back to normal by Christmas; he was just wrong about the year, it’ll be Christmas 2021 that might be normal. I can’t easily attach much probability to good news this side of Summer. But even this government can’t botch things up so badly that the Summer’s natural dampening of viral spread doesn’t help massively and by then the vaccination programs impact should be kicking in noticeably and increasingly so. But for now we’re all in BoJo’s inflicted Darkest Six Months which coincide closely with the equinox driven 6 months - late September to late March. The first three of those months were when policy error on policy error was made but with little short term visible cost. These next three months is Corona Virus Payback for those errors. The only silver lining being that we're not alone in being up s**t creek without a paddle. We may have the mutated virus at the minute, but you can guarantee that the rest of Europe will be getting it shortly.
AZ vaccine data has just been submitted for approval, so hopefully by the new year that can be rolled out to suitable candidates, helping to drive down infection rates.
Or may even have it already. Or an alternative more transmissable variant. Infection rates are rocketing in Italy: is that entirely due to the season I wonder ? While I fully understand the reactions of (nearly all) the rest of the world after old Matty boy went on national telly and said it was "out of control", there is also some truth in the fact that if you look you find, and if don't you won't. Supposedly we have done close to 50% of the genomic sequencing that has been done in the world, so we have a much greater chance of spotting such an emergence more quickly than others.
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Post by jonno on Dec 24, 2020 16:22:10 GMT
how many tiers we go to do you think ? Could they be turned up all the way to 11 ? We currently have Medium risk, high risk, very high risk and extremely high risk. I'm not certain there is much scope for any more tiers. How about: "We're DOOMED...........We're all EFF'N DOOMED"
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 24, 2020 16:48:30 GMT
.... On the two key factors that matter - rate of spread and behaviour protocols actioned - this government failed to observe, take on board and act appropriately. Viruses mutate all the time and this mutation didn’t stop showing up in the test numbers so the responsibility for not acting in a timely manner rests solely with this government. How well or badly other governments did or do is not massively relevant nor whether their countries have got the latest variants already in big percentages or might head that way. Exactly. Watching Matt the ***k being interviewed by Andrew Marr was embarrassing. On the question of why the Govt. didn't act earlier, he fell back to "...it was only on Friday that we had the causality link...." (my precis). What ?? Perhaps one could have rephrased that as "we thought it would be politically difficult to come back and tighten up, particularly as we'd only just relaxed, and we had Christmas coming , even though we had known for weeks that infection rates were soaring even under lockdown. It was far too difficult a decision to make: but then we were given an oven ready excuse, and well then there was no stopping us".
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Post by registerme on Dec 24, 2020 16:51:56 GMT
Well, back on the front lines (ish), my mate was asked to review six x-rays for patients who came in to his hospital's A&E department today. Four are COVID-19 .
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 24, 2020 20:45:53 GMT
Talking about front lines,
Sounds ideal for stuck lorry drivers? But no it all went to night shelters and food banks (both worthy causes)
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Post by mrk on Dec 27, 2020 10:40:53 GMT
Reuters reveals the details of the Oxford vaccine "potency miscalculation": Special Report-How a British COVID-19 vaccine went from pole position to troubled startOxford received a shipment from the Italian manufacturer IRBM/Advent. The supplier correctly tested the potency using one method (qPCR). Oxford tested it using a different method (spectrophotometry) and found the potency to be higher. They decided to go ahead with the trial anyway but using smaller doses to compensate for the higher potency. Later they realised their own measurements were incorrect ("a common emulsifier, polysorbate 80, used in vaccines to facilitate mixing, had interfered with the ultraviolet-light meter that measures the quantity of viral material") so they reverted to full doses. What baffles me is that if you receive something from a supplier that doesn't match your expectations surely the first thing you do is contact the manufacturer and find out why? I really don't understand how they could go ahead anyway simply disregarding the manufacturers' measurements.
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Post by Mike on Dec 27, 2020 10:45:51 GMT
What baffles me is that if you receive something from a supplier that doesn't match your expectations surely the first thing you do is contact the manufacturer and find out why? I really don't understand how they could go ahead anyway simply disregarding the manufacturers' measurements. When you're in a rush you cut corners. Simple as that I think - and such political pressure only adds to the temptation to ignore possible snags for the sake of speed. If this had been another drug trial, and 2x rather than 0.5x given, the consequences could easily have been a lot lot worse. Fortunately this mistake doesn't seem to have caused any serious harm, other than denting confidence in the rigor of processes followed
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Post by registerme on Dec 27, 2020 15:26:21 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Dec 27, 2020 22:39:27 GMT
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Post by jj on Dec 28, 2020 6:31:06 GMT
To be honest I don't understand why people are taking holidays in these times.
All I would say is people who do are extremely selfish. Hence the story.
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2020 7:50:10 GMT
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Post by stevepn on Dec 28, 2020 9:19:18 GMT
Who in their right minds would go on holiday abroad during times like this?
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2020 10:04:45 GMT
Who in their right minds would go on holiday abroad during times like this? Oooh, I know! I know! The same kind of selfish self-centred git that would do a runner when told to self-isolate?
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