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Post by adrianc on Jan 1, 2021 12:55:39 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 1, 2021 14:10:58 GMT
Being Hertfordshire born & bred, I can confirm this is a longstanding problem - we were forever being mistaken for Herefordshire. I've even known some WIMP drop-down menus to omit one or other of the two counties, the creator presumably believing it a duplicate entry!
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 1, 2021 14:51:16 GMT
It will be interesting to see if the dosing interval changes in a month or so, when hospitals see if vaccinated people are still being admitted with the virus. My 2nd dose appointment for Tuesday has still not been cancelled.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 1, 2021 16:19:23 GMT
%After the second lockdown Devon moved into tier 2, and I immediately received an alert from the NHS app to say things have changed. Now that we are in tier 3 the app still says tier 2. Anyone else had this issue?
There has recently been an outbreak at Dartmoor prison and that raised concerns that staff at the prison would spread it to the local community. Rates in Plymouth up to 27th December have increased week on week by 96%. Within Plymouth the worst affected area is Keyham which has seen a weekly rise of 4500% (from 3 to 138 cases) giving it an infection rate of 1799. Fortunately I'm about 70 miles away.
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Post by registerme on Jan 1, 2021 16:27:42 GMT
It will be interesting to see if the dosing interval changes in a month or so, when hospitals see if vaccinated people are still being admitted with the virus. My 2nd dose appointment for Tuesday has still not been cancelled. I'm going to be very interested to see if other countries follow the UK's approach in terms of a delayed second dose / maximising the speed of getting first doses deployed.
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Post by mrk on Jan 1, 2021 18:14:07 GMT
It will be interesting to see if the dosing interval changes in a month or so, when hospitals see if vaccinated people are still being admitted with the virus. My 2nd dose appointment for Tuesday has still not been cancelled. I'm going to be very interested to see if other countries follow the UK's approach in terms of a delayed second dose / maximising the speed of getting first doses deployed. We're basically experimenting with different dosing regimens as part of the mass rollout, instead of in the trial phases. It's a drastic measure that may well be justified by the current situation, but please let's stop pretending that "no corners are being cut".
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Post by michaelc on Jan 1, 2021 18:42:06 GMT
I'm going to be very interested to see if other countries follow the UK's approach in terms of a delayed second dose / maximising the speed of getting first doses deployed. We're basically experimenting with different dosing regimens as part of the mass rollout, instead of in the trial phases. It's a drastic measure that may well be justified by the current situation, but please let's stop pretending that "no corners are being cut". I completely agree with this. Many of the vaccines were ready in their current form back last Spring. The reason it takes so long to begin rollout as we know is due to stringent trials. Its for a very good reason. Are our scientific and medical leaders now going to override the recommendations of the trials based on some (albeit perhaps credible) theory? What if for some reason unknown at this stage, it turns out that not having a second dose actually makes you ill. Or what if not having the second dose means the immunity tapers off 10x quicker than it would with a second dose. Its sounds unlikely and it probably is, but you're dealing with billions of people - you need to be cast iron sure and that is what the trials give you. You don't run roughshod over them just because you're the CMO or whatever. To me this just adds more weight to my argument that many of these sci-med leaders have made all kinds of decisions based on little evidence and frequently in opposition to their peers.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 1, 2021 18:48:30 GMT
I'm going to be very interested to see if other countries follow the UK's approach in terms of a delayed second dose / maximising the speed of getting first doses deployed. We're basically experimenting with different dosing regimens as part of the mass rollout, instead of in the trial phases. It's a drastic measure that may well be justified by the current situation, but please let's stop pretending that "no corners are being cut".It's just another difficult decision that the government has to make.
I can't remember how much Pfizer vaccine we were promised for 2020 (was it 4m or 10m doses), but the BBC were reporting that we have only had just over 1 millon too date. While supplies are short I guess there is more justification for one does each to begin with.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 1, 2021 18:58:57 GMT
We're basically experimenting with different dosing regimens as part of the mass rollout, instead of in the trial phases. It's a drastic measure that may well be justified by the current situation, but please let's stop pretending that "no corners are being cut". I completely agree with this. Many of the vaccines were ready in their current form back last Spring. The reason it takes so long to begin rollout as we know is due to stringent trials. Its for a very good reason. Are our scientific and medical leaders now going to override the recommendations of the trials based on some (albeit perhaps credible) theory? What if for some reason unknown at this stage, it turns out that not having a second dose actually makes you ill. Or what if not having the second dose means the immunity tapers off 10x quicker than it would with a second dose. Its sounds unlikely and it probably is, but you're dealing with billions of people - you need to be cast iron sure and that is what the trials give you. You don't run roughshod over them just because you're the CMO or whatever. To me this just adds more weight to my argument that many of these sci-med leaders have made all kinds of decisions based on little evidence and frequently in opposition to their peers. In this situation there are no good decisions, only a choice of bad decisions and worse decisions. Of course giving only one dose may give problems, but giving two doses will also cause a problem - you will only treat half the number of people and some of those not treated will die. The considered opinion of the experts is that giving just one will give the optimum outcome so we non experts just have to hope that they are right.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 1, 2021 19:11:13 GMT
I can't remember how much Pfizer vaccine we were promised for 2020 (was it 4m or 10m doses), but the BBC were reporting that we have only had just over 1 millon too date. While supplies are short I guess there is more justification for one does each to begin with.
800k had been delivered up until 19th Dec. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833This isn't about stock availability - it's about staffing to deliver them.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 1, 2021 19:59:42 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 1, 2021 20:19:36 GMT
Hmm, not convinced by the system. All the 80+ year olds in my road have had theirs. The one who hasnt is apparently somewhere between 0.5m & 4.5m on the list. I guess if you survived the last global pandemic, they assume you should be alright for this next one.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 1, 2021 21:30:45 GMT
I can't remember how much Pfizer vaccine we were promised for 2020 (was it 4m or 10m doses), but the BBC were reporting that we have only had just over 1 millon too date. While supplies are short I guess there is more justification for one does each to begin with.
800k had been delivered up until 19th Dec.www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833This isn't about stock availability - it's about staffing to deliver them. And virtually nothing in the next 2 weeks? And limited availability of AZ vaccine until February
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Post by mrk on Jan 1, 2021 21:46:06 GMT
Meanwhile, Israel has vaccinated over a million people, i.e. over 10% of its population, having started on 20 December.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2021 8:37:47 GMT
Hmm, not convinced by the system. All the 80+ year olds in my road have had theirs. The one who hasnt is apparently somewhere between 0.5m & 4.5m on the list. I guess if you survived the last global pandemic, they assume you should be alright for this next one. Data is not the plural of anecdote, but... A couple of village friends in their mid 80s - she is frail, and has had her first dose. He is more robust, and hasn't even got a date for his - despite being her carer, and despite him being the one who goes out to do various errands. My mother is 82 - no sign of a date. A neighbour is 83, and had a stroke a couple of years ago - no sign of a date.
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