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Post by benaj on Jan 19, 2021 16:20:02 GMT
From a couple of days and nearly ten pages ago... Yep, her op has definitely been postponed until some point in the future, no date yet. This is an op that was deemed so urgent it was scheduled for three weeks from diagnosis. It is not a minor one. " Why is my life worth less than that of a Covid-19 patient?" I remember this case being raised many months ago. It certainly looks like cancer patients are being short-changed by the NHS, sadly. Feels so wrong. I hope your friend gets a date soon, it's frightening enough without this added uncertainty on top. www.nytimes.com/1987/08/03/opinion/when-doctors-refuse-to-treat-aids.htmlThere was a time doctor refused to treat HIV positive patients. then came the Queen of Hearts who changed the attitude about aids patients youtu.be/XU0SPrCTwsY
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 19, 2021 16:37:17 GMT
" Why is my life worth less than that of a Covid-19 patient?" I remember this case being raised many months ago. It certainly looks like cancer patients are being short-changed by the NHS, sadly. Feels so wrong. I hope your friend gets a date soon, it's frightening enough without this added uncertainty on top. My best and longest friend was diagnosed with Lung Cancer during the first lockdown. Much of his "treatment" was delayed a number of times. He died on the 10th of December. He had been a true and fervent supporter of the NHS all of his life, and at his utmost point of need he was completely let down. The Hospice in which he died ,on the other hand, were absolutely fantastic. His family and all of our friends are finding it almost impossible to come to terms with. He was 63. Sincere condolences, jonno . I have a similar friend, best mates since school, and I can't imagine how you're feeling, let alone his family.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 19, 2021 16:42:21 GMT
" Why is my life worth less than that of a Covid-19 patient?" I remember this case being raised many months ago. It certainly looks like cancer patients are being short-changed by the NHS, sadly. Feels so wrong. I hope your friend gets a date soon, it's frightening enough without this added uncertainty on top. My best and longest friend was diagnosed with Lung Cancer during the first lockdown. Much of his "treatment" was delayed a number of times. He died on the 10th of December. He had been a true and fervent supporter of the NHS all of his life, and at his utmost point of need he was completely let down. The Hospice in which he died ,on the other hand, were absolutely fantastic. His family and all of our friends are finding it almost impossible to come to terms with. He was 63. Very sorry to hear that. Terrible. I wonder who make the decision that treating covid is more important than cancer.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 19, 2021 16:58:07 GMT
My best and longest friend was diagnosed with Lung Cancer during the first lockdown. Much of his "treatment" was delayed a number of times. He died on the 10th of December. He had been a true and fervent supporter of the NHS all of his life, and at his utmost point of need he was completely let down. The Hospice in which he died ,on the other hand, were absolutely fantastic. His family and all of our friends are finding it almost impossible to come to terms with. He was 63. Very sorry to hear that. Terrible. I wonder who make the decision that treating covid is more important than cancer. Unfortunately, I rather suspect that somebody living about eight months post-diagnosis wouldn't ever have stood much of a chance, no matter what resources the NHS threw at them. It shouldn't be a choice. But there is no way that the NHS can easily be resourced to cope with such an unexpected peak. It can be resourced, though, to not be at crisis during a normal winter - then, hopefully, they wouldn't need to redeploy even core oncological (etc) resources to fighting the pandemic. Of course, if a few more entitled idiots stayed at home and wore masks...
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Post by star dust on Jan 19, 2021 18:18:38 GMT
Or maybe c.50% effectiveness was all that is expected here anyway, but I do hope that the 12 week interval foisted on us isn't going to spectacularly back-fire.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 19, 2021 18:26:50 GMT
But I do think that higher NHS capacity would paradoxically have probably led to worse Covid outcomes. Lockdown timing and severity has in the end only been triggered by imminent NHS overwhelmed status. "BJ Piffle is so incompetent that, if the NHS was better, he wouldn't have had the kick up the backside that he needed"It's an interesting angle.
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Post by dan1 on Jan 19, 2021 18:38:35 GMT
I'm not sure if this is controversial or not, it's not intended to be; just to be clear, I abhor the policy of herd immunity by natural infection.
I can't help but wonder whether we're seeing, at least in part, an element of herd immunity develop in the population of key workers (and others in their household). It seems to me that it's largely the same people who are at risk during the periods of lock down, the likes of the front line healthcare workers, care home staff, Police, fire, the bus and taxi drivers, supermarket/food chain staff, and there are many more who I have inadvertently left out. The rest of the population not in need of medical or personal care can largely insulate themselves from the risks of infections as long as they largely stick to the rules.... I wonder even if it's bimodal. It may go some way to explain why I'd expect infection rates to rise higher than might otherwise be expected once lock down is relaxed. I guess it's the distillation of knowledge that the virus disproportionately affects certain elements of society, e.g. the areas of greatest deprivation.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 19, 2021 18:41:07 GMT
Or maybe c.50% effectiveness was all that is expected here anyway, but I do hope that the 12 week interval foisted on us isn't going to spectacularly back-fire.
I guess the main question is what is the effectiveness after you've had your second jab at 12 weeks.
If the vaccine roll out continues to gather pace I wonder if there might be a change in policy whereby the second jab is given ahead of the current timescale. One thing that will be interesting is to see how many vaccinated people start turning up in hospital.
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Post by benaj on Jan 19, 2021 18:50:42 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Jan 19, 2021 21:16:03 GMT
Published yesterday... Exclusive: Give urgent cancer surgery the same priority as covid patients, NHS England tells servicewww.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-give-urgent-cancer-surgery-the-same-priority-as-covid-patients-nhs-england-tells-service/7029326.articleI can't imagine what it feels like to have lost a loved one in these circumstances or to have to endure your surgery being cancelled not knowing when or if surgery can go ahead and whether it's just too late. ~~~~ I don't know what's happening in private hospitals, are they treating large numbers of NHS patients? Do they have the facilities for complex cancer surgeries and anyway don't they require ICU cover if things go wrong? Difficult to ascertain from a quick search.
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Post by mrk on Jan 19, 2021 22:01:43 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jan 19, 2021 22:23:22 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jan 20, 2021 8:20:13 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Jan 20, 2021 8:48:36 GMT
I read that at the time but it's now 6 or 7 weeks ago and that seeme like a lifetime in the midst of a pandemic. I guess people just want to know what's happening in their area at the moment with regards to cancellations etc but it's not easy communicating in such a fluid situation when the NHS is under the most extreme pressure in its history.
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Post by aju on Jan 20, 2021 11:42:40 GMT
I read that at the time but it's now 6 or 7 weeks ago and that seeme like a lifetime in the midst of a pandemic. I guess people just want to know what's happening in their area at the moment with regards to cancellations etc but it's not easy communicating in such a fluid situation when the NHS is under the most extreme pressure in its history. Since the Cambridge hospitals I knew used to use private hospitals as overflow for many and varied operations it may be that as there is no front queue then the patients won't be pushed to private hospitals anyway. I can definitely say that in the mental health sector the nhs pays small fortunes to private hospitals due to the lack of specific facilities. I can also say they are busy as well having family who should be hospitalised in Plymouth but are currently in Essex!. This is not a pandemic issue just an ongoing MH issue for last 8 years or that I can recall!.
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