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Post by qlassa on Sept 4, 2021 22:05:02 GMT
I agree, all the policies now seems jokes to me..
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Post by michaelc on Sept 4, 2021 22:38:36 GMT
Meanwhile we have this: www.bbc.com/news/uk-58448565The very rules that are supposed to "keep us safe" are contributing to environments that are apparently so poorly ventilated that passengers are passing out ! I would assume virtually any delta variant present is going to move to large swathes of those waiting. The "Border Force" are used to treating potential visitors and immigrants badly thus the only tiny ray of sunshine here is that they perhaps think they can be just as unpleasant to large numbers of UK citizens. That will turn out to be a big mistake for them.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 5, 2021 8:13:24 GMT
I'm busy trying to set pass all the testing requirements to come from a lower reinfection rate country and visit the UK and lower the r-rate averages for you all. UK rules require a negative corona test from fully vaccinated travellers before you enter the port. It can be the expensive but accurate PCR test, or the cheap antigen test, says gov.uk. Great, you can get as many antigens as you like for free from the Belgian chemist. Oh, but the results of the test must be certified by "the test provider" and you need to upload the 'certificate' for examination. The only way to get that certified output is to take the PCR test from a testing station. Add €55 to your ticket price! Well, you were fully vaccinated at no cost to you, and that's all you need if you stay in the EU, the helpful nurse explained. Next, navigate the gov.uk PCR test providers for a single Day 2 test on gov.uk. Which is the cheapest on you can actually buy? I settled for £34, after faffing with the £20 ones from '...aaaaa111Health' and the like. Because you need for some reason to have an identical test after arriving, in my case within 4 days of each other. Ah! But you might have got infected during the trip! Not isolated in my car in the Eurotunnel I won't, but there's no allowance for that. So having paid about £80 for my ticket to the Theatre of Health, how much extra to travel from high infection rate UK to lower rate Belgium via France? £0. Nothing. No tests required for the fully vaccinated. How do you know that you weren't positive when you got in the car? I know that I wasn't positive when I got in the car because I have the results of PCR test number one, as described in the first paragraph. If you read it again, you will see that you have a test result from just before getting in the car, and a test shortly after getting out of the car at the end of the journey. A total waste of time and resources for people already double vaccinated. But that's the price to pay for a government trying to look busy protecting the population, after they were caught with their pants down not checking or quarantining travellers from India when Johnson wanted to go there for his trade deal. And to please some "libertarian" Tory back benchers who insist that the rights of the unvaccinated must be equal with the vaccinated, forcing all these unnecessary tests.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 5, 2021 9:29:44 GMT
How do you know that you weren't positive when you got in the car? I know that I wasn't positive when I got in the car because I have the results of PCR test number one, as described in the first paragraph. If you read it again, you will see that you have a test result from just before getting in the car, and a test shortly after getting out of the car at the end of the journey. A total waste of time and resources for people already double vaccinated. But that's the price to pay for a government trying to look busy protecting the population, after they were caught with their pants down not checking or quarantining travellers from India when Johnson wanted to go there for his trade deal. And to please some "libertarian" Tory back benchers who insist that the rights of the unvaccinated must be equal with the vaccinated, forcing all these unnecessary tests. No, all that proves is that you were negative when you took the PCR test.
Given that most people take the test at T-72hrs, you had 3 days to get infected before you get in the car, and potentially another 3 days to pass it around UK before your UK PCR test comes back positive. As far as I am aware everyone entering the UK is subject to the same rules (except possibly for the rich and famous).
I have a flight booked to Barbados in November, but haven't decided whether to go or not, because of uncertainty over potentially draconian covid protocols. So I have the same option as you. I can travel and accept the rules of the country I am going to, or if I don't like them I can stay home.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 5, 2021 11:05:31 GMT
I know that I wasn't positive when I got in the car because I have the results of PCR test number one, as described in the first paragraph. If you read it again, you will see that you have a test result from just before getting in the car, and a test shortly after getting out of the car at the end of the journey. A total waste of time and resources for people already double vaccinated. But that's the price to pay for a government trying to look busy protecting the population, after they were caught with their pants down not checking or quarantining travellers from India when Johnson wanted to go there for his trade deal. And to please some "libertarian" Tory back benchers who insist that the rights of the unvaccinated must be equal with the vaccinated, forcing all these unnecessary tests. No, all that proves is that you were negative when you took the PCR test.
Given that most people take the test at T-72hrs, you had 3 days to get infected before you get in the car, and potentially another 3 days to pass it around UK before your UK PCR test comes back positive. As far as I am aware everyone entering the UK is subject to the same rules (except possibly for the rich and famous).
I have a flight booked to Barbados in November, but haven't decided whether to go or not, because of uncertainty over potentially draconian covid protocols. So I have the same option as you. I can travel and accept the rules of the country I am going to, or if I don't like them I can stay home.
My mum has been admitted to hospital.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 5, 2021 11:30:12 GMT
Vaccine passports to start in England this month. I wonder whether 'other indoor venues' will mean all indoor venues or just chosen higher risk locations.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 5, 2021 11:33:45 GMT
No, all that proves is that you were negative when you took the PCR test.
Given that most people take the test at T-72hrs, you had 3 days to get infected before you get in the car, and potentially another 3 days to pass it around UK before your UK PCR test comes back positive. As far as I am aware everyone entering the UK is subject to the same rules (except possibly for the rich and famous).
I have a flight booked to Barbados in November, but haven't decided whether to go or not, because of uncertainty over potentially draconian covid protocols. So I have the same option as you. I can travel and accept the rules of the country I am going to, or if I don't like them I can stay home.
My mum has been admitted to hospital. In which case it is understandable that you want to visit her, and I am suprised that the PCR tests are weighing on your mind.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 5, 2021 11:39:47 GMT
My mum has been admitted to hospital. In which case it is understandable that you want to visit her, and I am suprised that the PCR tests are weighing on your mind. Your passive aggression does you no credit. If it was not these unnecessary tests for fully vaccinated people, I would have straight over three days ago. As it is the results of PCR test no 1, issued by a hospital test centre, have not yet been validated by "manual checking" so I still can't present at border customs.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 5, 2021 11:43:37 GMT
Meanwhile we have this: www.bbc.com/news/uk-58448565The very rules that are supposed to "keep us safe" are contributing to environments that are apparently so poorly ventilated that passengers are passing out ! I would assume virtually any delta variant present is going to move to large swathes of those waiting. The "Border Force" are used to treating potential visitors and immigrants badly thus the only tiny ray of sunshine here is that they perhaps think they can be just as unpleasant to large numbers of UK citizens. That will turn out to be a big mistake for them. But probably not to those who have been double vaccinated and are wearing their masks
The queues at Heathrow have been highlighted over a long period of time, and I don't understand why it is still an issue. It's not a problem for passengers who can use the e-gates, but children under 12 are not allowed access to them, so they have to stand in the main queue with their parents.
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 5, 2021 14:33:50 GMT
<waves from a little Greek island> I'm just glad popular opinion is starting to swing behind seeing that the UK is an outlier in this respect, and not in a good way. Many still seem to instinctively think it (lots of tests to enter) is a good idea, but when challenged no-one can explain why they think we need to test for variants from a low-infection country like Spain, but not from high-infection Cornwall. Or why it's so clearly necessary, but then Germany, Spain, France, Greece et al all allow vaccinated travellers (including from the UK to their credit) free access. Are they being totally irresponsible? I struggle to believe how the UK is now willfully destroying its own business prospects and leisure income by restricting travel in this way, it's very sad. Good article from Simon Calder on the same: "The UK remains a complete outlier: a high-infection nation with absurdly high barriers to entry that are destroying jobs and damaging the wider economy."
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Post by michaelc on Sept 5, 2021 15:02:30 GMT
Meanwhile we have this: www.bbc.com/news/uk-58448565The very rules that are supposed to "keep us safe" are contributing to environments that are apparently so poorly ventilated that passengers are passing out ! I would assume virtually any delta variant present is going to move to large swathes of those waiting. The "Border Force" are used to treating potential visitors and immigrants badly thus the only tiny ray of sunshine here is that they perhaps think they can be just as unpleasant to large numbers of UK citizens. That will turn out to be a big mistake for them. But probably not to those who have been double vaccinated and are wearing their masks
The queues at Heathrow have been highlighted over a long period of time, and I don't understand why it is still an issue. It's not a problem for passengers who can use the e-gates, but children under 12 are not allowed access to them, so they have to stand in the main queue with their parents.
I guess you haven't got much evidence for that. Everything I've read points to standing for hours in very close proximity to others with so little ventilation people are passing out, to be a perfect route for transmission. If they were wearing properly fitting ffp3 masks and wearing them properly being mindful for hours at a time not to touch their mask I might agree with you. As an aside, this is another indication of how much policy seems to be against those who have children. If you know much about kids, you'll know just how difficult it would be for the parents (and kids) in that situation particularly for those just a few years old. Few countries in my experience would treat families so poorly and get away with it. If I said this above I apologise for saying it twice but I'm naturally right of centre and I voted for Johnson. I would never vote Tory again whilst he is in charge.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 5, 2021 22:23:19 GMT
I'm busy trying to set pass all the testing requirements to come from a lower reinfection rate country and visit the UK and lower the r-rate averages for you all. UK rules require a negative corona test from fully vaccinated travellers before you enter the port. It can be the expensive but accurate PCR test, or the cheap antigen test, says gov.uk. Great, you can get as many antigens as you like for free from the Belgian chemist. Oh, but the results of the test must be certified by "the test provider" and you need to upload the 'certificate' for examination. The only way to get that certified output is to take the PCR test from a testing station. Add €55 to your ticket price! Well, you were fully vaccinated at no cost to you, and that's all you need if you stay in the EU, the helpful nurse explained. Next, navigate the gov.uk PCR test providers for a single Day 2 test on gov.uk. Which is the cheapest on you can actually buy? I settled for £34, after faffing with the £20 ones from '...aaaaa111Health' and the like. Because you need for some reason to have an identical test after arriving, in my case within 4 days of each other. Ah! But you might have got infected during the trip! Not isolated in my car in the Eurotunnel I won't, but there's no allowance for that. So having paid about £80 for my ticket to the Theatre of Health, how much extra to travel from high infection rate UK to lower rate Belgium via France? £0. Nothing. No tests required for the fully vaccinated. My brother and sister in law are just going through exactly the same thing (and for closely related reasons). They got their Belgium side tests done for I think about Euro 28 each. They also managed to get the appointment for the Bel test within around 1/2 day I think. So I think you may not have needed to have a full PCR test (their test certificate was ready in 4 hours I believe as well). Their UK Day2 post arrival tests on the other hand are costing them more like £120 for the pair. Its an utter disgrace. They arrive tomorrow, also via Eurotunnel. [P.S. Truly wish you the best regarding the reasons for your visit. Sadly we've not been lucky on that front].
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 5, 2021 22:38:12 GMT
Maybe I'll meet them in the train. Well, see them through the misty glass as we're not allowed out. I'd be very interested in the €28 tests as I'm going to have to go again soon. - the 55 price is the national PCR test price if requested by a fully vaccinated person. You get two free goes if you're not or partially vaxxed. I was wondering if I could get an antigen test then go to my GP, take the test in front of them and then get them to send a professional verdict and guarantee that they had witnessed the test by email. But the UK rules are that antigen tests must conform to three minimum scientific specifications which I didn't have time to check out with the chemist who gives out these tests so I just want for the quickest, most expensive option. It was all really tight - test must be within 72 hours, test centre and lab not operating at weekend, departing Monday morning. Only worry is result has still not been confirmed as valid after uploading to Eurotunnel internet, so I'm just going to go and hope it's done by the time I reach the gate. I'll report back on how it goes. Sorry to hear your news, bracknellboy. We're all getting on a bit and we are lucky to see our parents make it to a ripe old age.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 6, 2021 8:56:21 GMT
But probably not to those who have been double vaccinated and are wearing their masks
The queues at Heathrow have been highlighted over a long period of time, and I don't understand why it is still an issue. It's not a problem for passengers who can use the e-gates, but children under 12 are not allowed access to them, so they have to stand in the main queue with their parents.
I guess you haven't got much evidence for that. Everything I've read points to standing for hours in very close proximity to others with so little ventilation people are passing out, to be a perfect route for transmission. If they were wearing properly fitting ffp3 masks and wearing them properly being mindful for hours at a time not to touch their mask I might agree with you. As an aside, this is another indication of how much policy seems to be against those who have children. If you know much about kids, you'll know just how difficult it would be for the parents (and kids) in that situation particularly for those just a few years old. Few countries in my experience would treat families so poorly and get away with it. If I said this above I apologise for saying it twice but I'm naturally right of centre and I voted for Johnson. I would never vote Tory again whilst he is in charge. If you take your head out of the sand and look on Google you will find all the evidence you need.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 6, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
In which case it is understandable that you want to visit her, and I am suprised that the PCR tests are weighing on your mind. Your passive aggression does you no credit. If it was not these unnecessary tests for fully vaccinated people, I would have straight over three days ago. As it is the results of PCR test no 1, issued by a hospital test centre, have not yet been validated by "manual checking" so I still can't present at border customs. Normal tactics I see. If you can't challenge the message then bad mouth the messenger, so rewind to your original post that I commented on.
- You claimed that you knew that you would be negative on arrival in UK and lower out R rate - factually incorrect
- You claim to be coming from a lower infection rate country (Belgium), and that also appears to be incorrect. If you google Belgium (or UK) infection rates, graphs are displayed which I believe come from 'our world in data'. These state that 5.4% of people who were recently tested in Belgium were positive, but only 4% in UK.
I have a flight to Barbados booked in November and have been looking at the Tripadvisor forums to see how covid is affecting peoples holidays there. One of the biggest complaints from locals is the number of entitled westerners who think the rules shouldn't apply to them. Ring a bell?
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