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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 20, 2021 8:50:47 GMT
But I can't help but think if the people involved thought there was significant/reliable data to indicate lower disease severity that they would have said something more about that. What we are being told so far is that any such evidence is not much more than anecdotal. If so, then putting forward a scenario that assumes say 50% of the virulence is nothing more than conjecture. Let's go back a step. What is the point of them producing these scenarios? Is it to model likely realities, with that modelling feeding into decision making? Or is it to produce bent figures which can then be used to justify preconceptions and decisions which have already been made? Never mind the politicians, think about the press... The press will have a field day whatever happens, the scientists/government overreacted or underreacted, they get a headline either way. Currently infections are going up like fun, but hospital admissions are not rising much (yet) and deaths are staying lowish (so far). If it stays like that we can all relax a bit, it will be much clearer in a week or two. I would imagine scientists will be covering their backs, who would be brave enough to say Omicron is no problem only to be proved wrong if death rates start to rise rapidly? Fingers crossed all round.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 20, 2021 9:32:02 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 20, 2021 9:55:41 GMT
Do you think he might have meant dystopia?
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 20, 2021 10:18:25 GMT
Do you think he might have meant dystopia? nah, I think he meant to say utopia but maybe thought it meant like what dystopia means, man. Or maybe he didn't want his kids to wake up with distemper. Who knows. Maybe even he doesn't.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 20, 2021 10:49:49 GMT
I can't resist.... One observation I have is that stance on Covid restrictions seems to follow along the old left/right spectrum. Those in the centre/liberal tend to favour more restriction and those towards the right and far left seem to want less of it. I don't know why that is but it is definitely not helpful as it encourages people to follow old/tribal party lines rather than focus on the facts. I suspect some of that politics permeate the scientific and medical communities. The right don't like government, and think people should be allowed to be entitled wombles if they wish. The left don't like endeavour, and think people should be allowed to be feckless, idle scroungers if they wish. For 'entitled wombles', look no further than that group, for whom a bit of vegetable picking, litter collecting or toilet cleaning is beneath them.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 20, 2021 11:16:23 GMT
Do you think he might have meant dystopia? Because, obvs, taking very basic precautions to avoid a serious illness is REALLY dystopic... Dictionary definition :- "an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic."
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 20, 2021 12:08:59 GMT
Do you think he might have meant dystopia? Because, obvs, taking very basic precautions to avoid a serious illness is REALLY dystopic... Dictionary definition :- "an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic."I think the protests are more about the perception of infringement of civil liberties of those who don't want to be vaccinated, and whether that is the thin end of the wedge leading to more government control of individuals and eventually a totalitarian state. I think it's a load of tosh, but I understand how people can think that way with the 'scary' stuff floating around on social media.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 20, 2021 12:36:07 GMT
Because, obvs, taking very basic precautions to avoid a serious illness is REALLY dystopic... Dictionary definition :- "an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic."I think the protests are more about the perception of infringement of civil liberties of those who don't want to be vaccinated, and whether that is the thin end of the wedge leading to more government control of individuals and eventually a totalitarian state. I think it's a load of tosh, but I understand how people can think that way with the 'scary' stuff floating around on social media. Meanwhile, a week post booster, and I STILL haven't got any kind of mobile signal, let alone the 5G that Bill Gates promised. Makes you wonder if these people refuse all the other vaccinations in life... www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/general/vaccinatingIt all goes back to Andrew Wakefield, and the MMR "causing autism" stupidity, of course...
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Post by jonno on Dec 20, 2021 12:48:41 GMT
God, I can just hear PM Truss now..............."Utopia if you want to; the lady is not for Topia" 
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Post by adrianc on Dec 20, 2021 13:02:30 GMT
God, I can just hear PM Truss now..............."Utopia if you want to; the lady is not for Topia" I do not want to consider Liz Truss and topiary, thank you.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 20, 2021 14:01:57 GMT
God, I can just hear PM Truss now..............."Utopia if you want to; the lady is not for Topia" I do not want to consider Liz Truss and topiary, thank you. I take it you wouldn't particularly enjoy giving her bush a bit of a trim ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 14:59:21 GMT
Much as I find Ms Truss (pronounce it carefully) an especially poor politician it is important that we don't drift into misogyny and some of the comments above are close to the edge.
There are plenty of distopian societies people can go visit without having to pretend our's is changing into one.
I understand that many football matches are in peril over Christmas because the pampered millionaire footballers and their owners couldn't be bothered to get jabbed. What could it take to change the minds of the football leaders to get that sorted? Perhaps time for a squad visit to an NHS hospital. Only 68% of the feeble ninnies have bothered to roll up their sleeves.
Boycott football now!
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Post by keitha on Dec 20, 2021 15:16:14 GMT
65% of Tennis Players
25% of UK soccer players are not planning to get vaccinated. Apparently the sudden spike in Heart issues is behind it think Christian Eriksen, Sergio Aguero, Charlie Wyke, Victor Lindelöf ( apologies for any misspellings )
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Post by moonraker on Dec 20, 2021 16:05:47 GMT
Just one of my very occasional contributions to this forum: one might conjecture that the unvaccinated are responsible for some of the current and possibly pending restrictions/precautions because they are among the most vulnerable and need to be protected. Yet it's some of them who are protesting against the restrictions/precautions. And some of those are claiming that they're being imposed upon, at the same time trying to impose their views on others.
I suppose I have to respect people's decisions not to be vaccinated (two of my friends have yet to be), but I totally deplore violent protests, leafleting parents with anti-vax propaganda and booking jab appointments to deprive others.
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Post by benaj on Dec 20, 2021 16:14:19 GMT
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