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Post by registerme on Mar 20, 2020 11:50:02 GMT
Yeah the government needs to get a handle on the food situation asap. EDIT: Part of the problem is that as much as they, and the supermarkets, say there's no problem, that's not peoples' experience, so they react in an entirely rational (if selfish) fashion .
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Post by agent69 on Mar 20, 2020 12:21:34 GMT
- UK students are becoming stressed due to cancellation of their exams
- US students don't see a need to cancel their spring break celebrations as coronavirus is no big thing and is being exagerated. With half wits like that in your country who needs a moron as president
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 20, 2020 13:45:15 GMT
Apols if already posted, but an excellent follow up to Pueyo's article now available . Also, from Guardian live (13:07): Debate within government is continuing about whether non-essential shops - that is those not selling food or medical supplies - would be included in the ban.
The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 20, 2020 14:10:34 GMT
... The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders. How to enforce bans of various types? The police and local authorities have got plenty on their plates without having to literally face up to people, asking for ID, taking notes, always with the risk of getting a mouthful (or noseful). Just read of police stopping a dodgy car, whose driver claimed that he had the virus...
Dunno how the police in other countries are tackling this and inflicting fines?
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Post by michaelc on Mar 20, 2020 14:30:51 GMT
Yeah the government needs to get a handle on the food situation asap. EDIT: Part of the problem is that as much as they, and the supermarkets, say there's no problem, that's not peoples' experience, so they react in an entirely rational (if selfish) fashion . Indeed but what is the solution ?
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Post by benaj on Mar 20, 2020 14:56:26 GMT
Yeah the government needs to get a handle on the food situation asap. EDIT: Part of the problem is that as much as they, and the supermarkets, say there's no problem, that's not peoples' experience, so they react in an entirely rational (if selfish) fashion . Indeed but what is the solution ? There's plenty of food, change your recipe if you can, try different shops and avoid big queues in supermarkets. There will probably some issues for people with different types of food interference.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 20, 2020 15:28:05 GMT
Apols if already posted, but an excellent follow up to Pueyo's article now available . Also, from Guardian live (13:07): Debate within government is continuing about whether non-essential shops - that is those not selling food or medical supplies - would be included in the ban.
The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders.Excellent paper. Should be compulsory reading.
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Post by wildlife2 on Mar 20, 2020 15:30:12 GMT
Farmers will need to be on night patrol soon before all the cabbages, carrots, potatoes and sheep start to go missing, the chickens must be already in lock down as there are no eggs to be found in the shops ... Have all the eggs been poached?
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Post by dan1 on Mar 20, 2020 16:03:47 GMT
" I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19. This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care." Sourced from the Guardian,.... www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-critical-care-unit-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/7027189.article"A senior director at another London acute trust told HSJ: “Given we’re in the low foothills of this virus, this is f***ing petrifying." ~~~~ I can't see how anything other than a lock-down in London will prevent (I should say provide our best opportunity of mitigating against) saturation of our health services in a very short period of time (of the same order as the incubation period). Forget panic buying, if I were 60+ or with a pre-existing condition in the London area (or Birmingham for that matter) then I'd be avoiding all contact for the foreseeable. My thoughts are with those working on the front line.
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Post by michaelc on Mar 20, 2020 16:21:07 GMT
" I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19. This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care." Sourced from the Guardian,.... www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-critical-care-unit-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/7027189.article"A senior director at another London acute trust told HSJ: “Given we’re in the low foothills of this virus, this is f***ing petrifying." ~~~~ I can't see how anything other than a lock-down in London will prevent (I should say provide our best opportunity of mitigating against) saturation of our health services in a very short period of time (of the same order as the incubation period). Forget panic buying, if I were 60+ or with a pre-existing condition in the London area (or Birmingham for that matter) then I'd be avoiding all contact for the foreseeable. My thoughts are with those working on the front line. I went to the dentist yesterday for toothache which he managed to resolve. Because it was so quiet I managed to have a longish (15 minute) chat with him. He's in his mid-late forties and essentially his view was that it should be allowed to wash over us as quickly as possible. He thought the stuff about the curve was "BS" and likewise thought China was suppressing the numbers. It made me think more about that curve. If we're likely to go over the capacity line then isn't the important thing not so much keeping us from overshooting it by as little as possible but rather keeping the time period during which we overshoot as small as possible. If we spend a very long time above that capacity line, it will really take its toll - not just directly but in terms of things we're starting to see already such as food shortages etc. If its a wham bam "thank you" mam we can start to move on. Yes, in terms of raw maths you'd be looking at integrating under the curve above that line and minimizing the total area but there are other factors and time is quite an important one.
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 20, 2020 16:30:43 GMT
... The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders. How to enforce bans of various types? The police and local authorities have got plenty on their plates without having to literally face up to people, asking for ID, taking notes, always with the risk of getting a mouthful (or noseful). Just read of police stopping a dodgy car, whose driver claimed that he had the virus...
Dunno how the police in other countries are tackling this and inflicting fines? In Spain (I'm here now) they've dished out plenty of fines and jail-time. More detail here: "Spanish authorities have arrested at least 73 people and fined another 3,270 for breaking isolation rules, according to El Diario. Fines can run from $658 to $33,000 or up to four years in jail for those found breaching the containment laws under the state of national emergency."But thankfully most people don't need to be subject to this, they can see how serious this is.
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Post by dan1 on Mar 20, 2020 16:36:19 GMT
" I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19. This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care." Sourced from the Guardian,.... www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-critical-care-unit-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/7027189.article"A senior director at another London acute trust told HSJ: “Given we’re in the low foothills of this virus, this is f***ing petrifying." ~~~~ I can't see how anything other than a lock-down in London will prevent (I should say provide our best opportunity of mitigating against) saturation of our health services in a very short period of time (of the same order as the incubation period). Forget panic buying, if I were 60+ or with a pre-existing condition in the London area (or Birmingham for that matter) then I'd be avoiding all contact for the foreseeable. My thoughts are with those working on the front line. I went to the dentist yesterday for toothache which he managed to resolve. Because it was so quiet I managed to have a longish (15 minute) chat with him. He's in his mid-late forties and essentially his view was that it should be allowed to wash over us as quickly as possible. He thought the stuff about the curve was "BS" and likewise thought China was suppressing the numbers. It made me think more about that curve. If we're likely to go over the capacity line then isn't the important thing not so much keeping us from overshooting it by as little as possible but rather keeping the time period during which we overshoot as small as possible. If we spend a very long time above that capacity line, it will really take its toll - not just directly but in terms of things we're starting to see already such as food shortages etc. If its a wham bam "thank you" mam we can start to move on. Yes, in terms of raw maths you'd be looking at integrating under the curve above that line and minimizing the total area but there are other factors and time is quite an important one. I'm trying to comprehend the implications of a "short sharp shock", which is what you're exploring (correct me if I'm wrong?). Initial thoughts are effectively no NHS or social care for 6 months or so, because the infection rates are sky high. Exposure to the vast majority of the population because we can forget about testing, tracing etc. More than a million dead would be an incredibly conservative figure given that critical care would be inaccessible. Anarchy on the streets because law enforcement/armed forces won't be immune and a complete break down of society. What am I missing?
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Post by m2btj on Mar 20, 2020 16:36:43 GMT
Farmers will need to be on night patrol soon before all the cabbages, carrots, potatoes and sheep start to go missing, the chickens must be already in lock down as there are no eggs to be found in the shops ... Have all the eggs been poached? If supply chains falter & supermarket shelves empty we will see civil disturbances. Shortages are creating inflationary pressures & food prices are rising. I believe the first supermarkets to experience looting were in South London earlier this week. Farmers are already wary, theft is becoming a major problem & our local farm had over 30 sheep & lambs stolen in a year.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 20, 2020 16:39:35 GMT
" I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19. This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care." Sourced from the Guardian,.... www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-critical-care-unit-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/7027189.article"A senior director at another London acute trust told HSJ: “Given we’re in the low foothills of this virus, this is f***ing petrifying." ~~~~ I can't see how anything other than a lock-down in London will prevent (I should say provide our best opportunity of mitigating against) saturation of our health services in a very short period of time (of the same order as the incubation period). Forget panic buying, if I were 60+ or with a pre-existing condition in the London area (or Birmingham for that matter) then I'd be avoiding all contact for the foreseeable. My thoughts are with those working on the front line. I went to the dentist yesterday for toothache which he managed to resolve. Because it was so quiet I managed to have a longish (15 minute) chat with him. He's in his mid-late forties and essentially his view was that it should be allowed to wash over us as quickly as possible. He thought the stuff about the curve was "BS" and likewise thought China was suppressing the numbers. It made me think more about that curve. If we're likely to go over the capacity line then isn't the important thing not so much keeping us from overshooting it by as little as possible but rather keeping the time period during which we overshoot as small as possible. If we spend a very long time above that capacity line, it will really take its toll - not just directly but in terms of things we're starting to see already such as food shortages etc. If its a wham bam "thank you" mam we can start to move on. Yes, in terms of raw maths you'd be looking at integrating under the curve above that line and minimizing the total area but there are other factors and time is quite an important one. Sorry but can't agree with that. For one thing, if we completely saturate the medical services then most likely that will also increase significantly the number of medical staff who contract and die. That will induce a long term reduction in capacity. Secondly, the most important thing that reducing rate of cases does is buy us time. Buy us time to do several things: one, move to a much more stringent "track and trace" strategy a la South Korea; two, more time to investigate the effect of retrovirals and other treatments; three, understand in greater depth how this bastard does what it does. Treatments which can limit the impact of the disease would be a game changer. Ability to do masses more testing would be a game changer for the ability to do "track and trace". I am still shocked at how unprepared the UK seems to be, given the additional time we had to prepare versus the likes of China and SK. EDIT: And by the way, it would also be tantamount to eugenics given the specificity of its impacts. How this can be justified as opposed to trying to fight it with what we have at our disposal I don't understand.
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Post by valerieb on Mar 20, 2020 16:43:02 GMT
Indeed but what is the solution ? There's plenty of food, change your recipe if you can, try different shops and avoid big queues in supermarkets. There will probably some issues for people with different types of food interference. Went shopping for potatoes, came back with lemon tart and chocolate - new take on moussaka coming up!
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