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Post by criston on Apr 6, 2020 11:14:52 GMT
I read a Zopa post somewhere recently, how someone had successfully challenged the retrospective increase in the 'market rate adjustment' when it happened before, sometime back.
What is the general feeling ?
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Post by criston on Apr 6, 2020 18:39:26 GMT
The 2 accounts that sold around 73% yesterday, which still show as selling & obviously have reinvestment turned off by default, with all proceeds sent to holding account.
I managed to get into the loan book for both, only to find 25% of the value of the remaining loans for sale, show the acquired date as 5/4/20.
How could that be?
Edit. I note the status says 'withdrawn' under status for those loans.
The remainder of the loan book is says either collections' arrangement or default.
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Post by benaj on Apr 6, 2020 19:20:44 GMT
The 2 accounts that sold around 73% yesterday, which still show as selling & obviously have reinvestment turned off by default, with all proceeds sent to holding account. I managed to get into the loan book for both, only to find 25% of the value of the remaining loans for sale, show the acquired date as 5/4/20. How could that be? Edit. I note the status says 'withdrawn' under status for those loans. The remainder of the loan book is says either collections' arrangement or default. Z did not sell the whole loan part. The loan part was split up and the new acquired part is just leftovers of the original chunk you acquired.
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Post by benaj on Apr 6, 2020 19:25:44 GMT
I read a Zopa post somewhere recently, how someone had successfully challenged the retrospective increase in the 'market rate adjustment' when it happened before, sometime back. What is the general feeling ? I made a complaint a while ago when the conditions were normal and it was resolved. IIRC, the average market rate adjustment was less than 2% but some could be as high as 9% at around late 2017.
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Post by criston on Apr 8, 2020 13:10:52 GMT
I have a sale request that has sold 72% so far, but the last sale was on 29th March. If I go through Access Funds -> Sell Loans pages to look at the progress it looks like this ( my added text in blue) So, my loan has effectively been paused for over a week now. I'm not sure whether it would be better to stop and restart the sale, with it's obvious delay consequences,or whether to give it more time. It's not a big deal for me given the small numbers, but might help the overall understanding of what's going on. Has anyone else noticed a long pause and then had their sales restart? Reply from Zopa, as we could of expected. 'When a sell request is processing, we will attempt to sell as much of your healthy loan as possible during a 30-day window. Unfortunately, I will not be able to indicate when your remaining loans will be sold as this could be due to several reasons. At Zopa, we must ensure that all loans sold on the secondary market appropriately matches the portfolio of other investors on our platform, which is the most likely the reason. An alternative reason could be that a payment is still processing on a loan. Any loans that have a pending payment processing, won’t be sold until the payment has been completed. A final reason is that some of your loans may have gone into arrears, which will mean that these loans will remain unsold.
There is still a week left to go on your sell request, please continue to remain patient as we process your request. When your sell request does complete, we will inform you of how much of your loans we managed to sell. If any loans weren’t sold this time round, please feel free to initiate another sell request'
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Post by optymystic on Apr 10, 2020 7:22:44 GMT
If Zopa selling is slow I find that hard to reconcile to the fact that Zopa queuing times have gone up massively, which increases the times for which funds lie fallow and the gap between Zopa quoted rates of return and the return on cash deposited with Zopa, which has to wait until it is actually invested before it appears in Zopa calculations. Given an aggregate lower volume of trading perhaps we should conclude that the Zopa computer is working from home and not putting the hours in.
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Post by aju on Apr 10, 2020 11:35:05 GMT
If Zopa selling is slow I find that hard to reconcile to the fact that Zopa queuing times have gone up massively, which increases the times for which funds lie fallow and the gap between Zopa quoted rates of return and the return on cash deposited with Zopa, which has to wait until it is actually invested before it appears in Zopa calculations. Given an aggregate lower volume of trading perhaps we should conclude that the Zopa computer is working from home and not putting the hours in. I'd be happy to get a whiff of a sniff, myself and Mrs aju put in requests in middle of march and have not had one sale as yet. We are getting quite a bit of returned funds that I am sending back to my bank every couple of days or when it reaches 3 figures. Perhaps Zopa is using my computer as well to run the website - no sorry my computer is running much more efficiently than the website - which seems to timeout more than it succeeds the more useful functions. (ISA partition seems worse than the Invest, thankfully I know how to use a web browser rather than having to keep logging in when Zopa's cookies gets confused after timeout failures.)
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Post by aju on Apr 10, 2020 17:30:28 GMT
No wonder the selling is slow what with the reduction in lending (c,d,e loans no longer available) now I've just got this months email and it suggests ... assuming there is new money coming in and add that to the following info in the email I'm tempted to put some funds back onto the market and see if I can get 6.1% average in core, i'm not sure I've ever seen those average levels in Zopa but they suggest ... Sadly its been a real long time since either myself or Mrs Aju have been getting anything near 5% and 6% across those products we have been struggling to get the lower numbers most recently. Perhaps we are back to the heady days of the early years of Zopa... I don't think so though.
I must go and check the latest full loanbook. Its just been updated after I found it seriously wanting - being over 6 months old and getting Zopa CS to even understand what it was and worse where it might hang out was a task ...
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Post by wapping35 on Apr 10, 2020 17:50:56 GMT
assuming there is new money coming in and add that to the following info in the email These numbers and indeed the projected returns are completely misleading and I have directly said that to Zopa given the new MRA deductions reflect the higher expected defaults, but the projections remain pre-lockdown figures...i.e. On average a 3.6% hit.., so really those numbers should be 2.5% and 3.1%.... That is they are projecting higher defaults for loans we sell, but not if we don't sell the exact same loans. This is especially true for the SG /Zopa Classic loans which I sold last week with significant MRA's. I pointed that out to Zopa and they said the SG fund was not designed to cope with the present circumstances which I then went back to them to ask if that is the case why are they not communicating that, i.e. why are they not projecting a SG interest rate hair cut for existing SG investors, when they are doing so for investors who sell the exact same loans? Apparently they are working on new projections for existing portfolio's .. That is what the CEO is very vaguely referring to in his email yesterday when he wrote "Over the coming weeks we will have more data on the overall trend in loan performance". I would add I also was cheeky enough to suggest they share some of the pain and take a lender fee reduction for these existing LB loans (i.e. the 0.6-1% monthly interest rate deduction fee they get), no response on that albeit I was told the feedback was passed on (to the bin no doubt).. Ho ho... W35
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Post by optymystic on Apr 11, 2020 7:05:11 GMT
Average time to match new money with loans:
Core Plus
18 days 17 days
Which is why my account is now showing 2.5% inactive and not earning interest, either in the repayment queue or matching. There is no reason for a delay in selling loans.
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Post by benaj on Apr 11, 2020 8:12:04 GMT
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Post by aju on Apr 11, 2020 18:31:01 GMT
So I looked at the public loanbook (Zopa updated it up to 1st April) and looking at the disbursed loans to borrowers and it would seem there is quite a heavy drop in March starting in the 2nd week.
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Post by aju on Apr 11, 2020 18:33:21 GMT
This second picture shows how the period 14/3 - 31/3/2020 shows a very marked drop in lending. All data is as found in the Zopa Public data as found ending 4/1/2020
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Post by aju on Apr 11, 2020 18:44:35 GMT
According to that though the actual rate, the bit that hits us as lenders, is the 5.83% and even then it will have a bit lobbed off too for Zopa lending fees. So that will end up at best 4.83% (unless one has early adopter returns.) Unless I have got that wrong of course.
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Post by wapping35 on Apr 20, 2020 15:48:37 GMT
As an update if anyone is interested.
Zopa have informed me sales are now being done on a rationing approach instead of a queue.
I have had a very small "ration" sold. Under 0.2% of the amount asked to be sold so far. But I guess that is better than 0% I had before this change , been in the now non-existent queue since March 23.
Cheers W35
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