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Post by rec on Nov 30, 2014 15:18:14 GMT
Investly has recently launched in Estonia, I would really like feedback from UK P2P investors whether they see it as an investment opportunity or more of a risk than a home grown platform? Are the larger interest rates attractive? Does this company profile provide investors enough confidence? investly.eu/000022/company/profile
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Post by tybalt on Nov 30, 2014 16:32:25 GMT
Nothing against Estonia but for me it is a step to far. Additional risk of € to £ movement plus harder to carry out due diligence in a foreign country.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 30, 2014 19:34:32 GMT
Nothing against Estonia but for me it is a step to far. .... tybalt: are you by any chance acting as a spokesperson for Mr V Putin ? If so, that is good news.
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Post by tybalt on Nov 30, 2014 22:08:08 GMT
Nothing at all to do with V Putin. Although I accept that probably commercial law is closer to Hanseatic League I do not read the language well enough to carry out due diligence and I also suffer from exchange risk. Enough for me to say no. Probably when I lived in Euro Zone I would have considered investment but not now that I am resident in the UK again.
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 30, 2014 22:21:45 GMT
Nothing against Estonia but for me it is a step to far. .... tybalt: are you by any chance acting as a spokesperson for Mr V Putin ? If so, that is good news. Good news for whom? My worry is Estonia might not be a step too far for Mr P... Re the OP, hasn't Bondora already got Estonia sewn up? Is there room for another platform in such a small country (pop. 1.3 million, GDP <2% of UK)? Plus the website seems to be struggling (I can only get in some of the time), the "English" pages are partly in Estonian, and the "team" appears to be one person: "Mikk Jaeger". Very rock and roll! I will pass. Edit: crossed with Tybalt's post.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 30, 2014 23:31:49 GMT
tybalt: are you by any chance acting as a spokesperson for Mr V Putin ? If so, that is good news. Good news for whom? My worry is Estonia might not be a step too far for Mr P... Well quite. My hope was that he was a spokeperson for Mr P and therefore the statement that "Estonia might be a step too far .." was good news for all of us.
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Post by jonno on Dec 1, 2014 16:13:23 GMT
Falling oil prices should curb VPs 'expansion' plans. Soldiers and guns cost money, and oil accounts for nearly half Russia's budget... Then again, he might want to 'grow' the revenue base. Not sure if I've helped there, but it was nice to participate. I'd steer clear of sushi bars for a few days if I were you
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Post by rec on Dec 1, 2014 18:44:21 GMT
Thanks for your feedback, we will look into it and translation options. Investly is looking to fund small businesses rather than consumer loans. Here are a couple of blog posts that focus on a couple of other points raised: - Why Estonia is a great place to invest.. wp.me/p4FYS6-15- Debt collection and historical rates wp.me/p4FYS6-VThanks, REC
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Post by james on Dec 5, 2014 0:31:02 GMT
Investly has recently launched in Estonia, I would really like feedback from UK P2P investors whether they see it as an investment opportunity or more of a risk than a home grown platform? Are the larger interest rates attractive? Does this company profile provide investors enough confidence? investly.eu/000022/company/profile I have been lending to Estonian borrowers for two years via Bondora. In principle I would lend to businesses there. The risk is higher than a home-grown platform for a range of reasons: 1. One of my banks was unhappy about me sending money to Estonia because the country was on a high risk of money laundering list. They told me to stop doing this. 2. Lending is in Euros so there is exchange rate risk as well as lending risk. If expected return for the interest rates is good enough they could be attractive. Initial competition is more than 10% for secured lending via Ablrate with no exchange rate risk. Bondora's target return of 12% is not sufficient to beat that. A harder to understand return to beat is some venture capital trusts, a UK tax wrapper that provides a 30% of purchase price refund from the government then tax free interest, one or two of these offer rates equivalent to more than 10% tax free and for Bondora comparisons I would need 15% plus allowance for exchange rate risk to match or maybe beat that, probably more. If rates at Investly are the 15% described it is unlikely that I would invest via Investly, unless, maybe, the loans were secured on good security. The bad debt rate is very important and given the competition I do not think that it would be worth my time to consider Investly today. The company profile and presentation very strongly discourages me from trusting the company and on that evidence I would avoid doing business with the firm. I worry that the firm may be misleading investors about its size and employee count. Honesty is very important, even more so in a country with high money laundering risk. Beyond that risk it is certain that at some time Investly will do things that investors do not like and a good record of honesty will help to improve the way such things are received. The description of the identification system worries me and I am concerned that it may not meet the "enhanced" identity fraud detection requirements that I expect to apply to at least borrowers of Investly.
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Post by rec on Dec 9, 2014 14:23:42 GMT
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Post by james on Dec 9, 2014 21:23:00 GMT
Thanks.
I deliberately invest more globally than is normal for UK investors and think that this has a good effect overall. I deliberately chose to keep the Euro currency risk. At present this means my Bondora return in Euros is about 4% higher than in Pounds.
I've used Transferwise for all of my transfers. I'm happy with their service and recommend them to others. That didn't help for the bank I mentioned. May have made them a little more unhappy because it was an extra layer to get through to work out where transactions were really going.
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