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Post by mrclondon on Dec 1, 2014 18:04:23 GMT
Regular readers of the Saving Stream and Ablrate boards on this forum will know that myself and mikes1531 have not been able to receive emails from either of these companies. We both use plusnet hosted mailboxes. With a bit of help from two other forumites, I've managed to work out what is happening to our missing emails and prove the plusnet documentation for their mailservers is badly wrong. I have previously posted this explanation based on the plusnet documentation: Amongst the multitude of settings for the standard spam filtering service is this one, the documentation for which states
Their bold. By default this setting is switched on.
Oh dear, that is a total load of b*llo**. I've proved today that email being flagged as "Obvious Spam" is being bounced back to the sender, and the "approved senders" list is being ignored by this check.
Turning this setting off results in a copy of the SS email being flagged as spam and delivered to the spam folder. After adding the sender into the whitelist the email is delivered correctly into my inbox.
The downside is my spam folder which previously received around 1 email a month is now receiving a fairly continuous stream of total cr*p. Maybe the answer to this is to increase the agressiveness setting.
The attached pdf shows the settings I'm currently using: plusnet_spam_settings.pdf (63.83 KB)
I'm reasonably confident this will cure the SS email issue (but I won't know for sure until the next Friday email arrives or not as the case may be). Given today's news that ablrate are switching to a new email service this may no longer be an issue with them.
I have reported my findings to plusnet but I doubt they'll do anything.
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Post by mrclondon on Dec 2, 2014 18:30:49 GMT
There is a nasty sting in the tail to this story. By putting a succession of small parts of SS loans for sale today I have generated a string of emails from SS to me. Whitelisting savingstream.co.uk doesn't work because the routing is via Amazon Web Services. It is necessary to add amazonses.com to the whitelist to route SS emails into my inbox which means I'm whitelisting all emails routed through amazon web services, close to 100% of which are spam. Great. SS_email_headers.pdf (37.94 KB)
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 3, 2014 1:39:27 GMT
Unfortunately, the spam filtering options offered to the user seem to depend on which sub-brand of Plusnet they are with. I started with Care4Free. They were taken over by Madasafish. Then Plusnet took over Masasafish. And I really don't think Plusnet want the Madasafish brand to survive -- every other ISP on the planet has reduced their prices in recent years, but MAAF has not. Just look at what they're offering... Nobody in their right mind would sign up to offers like that these days. Anyway, Plusnet may offer more spam filtering offers to other sub-brands, but for MAAF users there's just Spam Filtering On or Spam Filtering Off. I have it set to Off but, based on the few true spam emails I receive, something like what mrclondon refers to as the first level filtering must be happening before the system looks at my spam filtering option. If I were to turn the filtering on, I expect that some of the emails I am now receiving would go into the webmail Spam folder, and I'd have to go online frequently in order to check that to see whether it contains false positives. Since I'm primarily using email on my PC (Thunderbird) and I'm not receiving a lot of spam I don't bother turning the filtering on. But the point is that there is nothing I can see to do to increase the chance that the SS emails get through to me.
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Post by gc on Mar 1, 2015 23:31:16 GMT
Hi guys, my first post here so go easy on me I also have this problem with plusnet and I doubt they are going to fix things at a server level some time soon, unless they get enough people hitting them with this problem. I am not sure if this is a suitable workaround but wouldn't it be possible to have Saving Streams emails going to ones gmail account and then setting up a filter within your gmail account that just forwards any email with a " savingstream.co.uk" extension to your plusnet account? You could set it up to forward a copy to your email system and when you need to reply to Saving Stream, you could just do it via your gmail if you wanted. I know it is a pain in the backside and not a fix but a workaround, but at least you'll be getting your emails. Just a thought.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 11, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
I wonder why Mike stays with Plusnet, if they are such wasters? The hassle of changing ISP (or at least changing email addresses) =IS= significant, so a long time ago I decided to get ISP-independent .. acquire your own fasthosts domain, forward all email to your ISP of choice. If you dislike your ISP, change them and just change the fasthosts forwarding. For about £2 a year (something like that - I took a 10 year contract so I can't remember) you can be completely ISP independent, and change any/all your email forwarding in a few minutes. With your own domain you can have as many email addresses as you like and forward any/all of them to various places (or, for a lot of extra money, you could use the fasthosts email servers, but that's not really required if your own ISP is halfway adequate).
As stated above, a Gmail or Hotmail account is an alternative, but I like my emails on my PC (Thunderbird) under my control, not mailboxed in the Cloud someplace.
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Post by gc on Mar 26, 2015 10:41:50 GMT
I wonder why Mike stays with Plusnet, if they are such wasters? The hassle of changing ISP (or at least changing email addresses) =IS= significant, so a long time ago I decided to get ISP-independent .. acquire your own fasthosts domain, forward all email to your ISP of choice. If you dislike your ISP, change them and just change the fasthosts forwarding. For about £2 a year (something like that - I took a 10 year contract so I can't remember) you can be completely ISP independent, and change any/all your email forwarding in a few minutes. With your own domain you can have as many email addresses as you like and forward any/all of them to various places (or, for a lot of extra money, you could use the fasthosts email servers, but that's not really required if your own ISP is halfway adequate). As stated above, a Gmail or Hotmail account is an alternative, but I like my emails on my PC (Thunderbird) under my control, not mailboxed in the Cloud someplace. I hear you, though I wouldn't say Plusnet are wasters. Been with them for over 13 years and the service is actually damned impressive, even a 24/7 UK Support desk would you believe I did email SS and they will happily send all email updates to my gmail account and i'm cool with that. Your method is better of acquiring ones own domain but at this stage I wouldn't change isp based on an issue with SS emails as plusnet are pretty darned good. Btw, I don't work for them, just spent about 13 years in IT corporate support and have seen some pretty cr%p support teams in my time. A company is only as strong as its weakest link.
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Post by batchoy on Mar 26, 2015 11:36:27 GMT
I wonder why Mike stays with Plusnet, if they are such wasters? The hassle of changing ISP (or at least changing email addresses) =IS= significant, so a long time ago I decided to get ISP-independent .. acquire your own fasthosts domain, forward all email to your ISP of choice. If you dislike your ISP, change them and just change the fasthosts forwarding. For about £2 a year (something like that - I took a 10 year contract so I can't remember) you can be completely ISP independent, and change any/all your email forwarding in a few minutes. With your own domain you can have as many email addresses as you like and forward any/all of them to various places (or, for a lot of extra money, you could use the fasthosts email servers, but that's not really required if your own ISP is halfway adequate). As stated above, a Gmail or Hotmail account is an alternative, but I like my emails on my PC (Thunderbird) under my control, not mailboxed in the Cloud someplace. I hear you, though I wouldn't say Plusnet are wasters. Been with them for over 13 years and the service is actually damned impressive, even a 24/7 UK Support desk would you believe I did email SS and they will happily send all email updates to my gmail account and i'm cool with that. Your method is better of acquiring ones own domain but at this stage I wouldn't change isp based on an issue with SS emails as plusnet are pretty darned good. Btw, I don't work for them, just spent about 13 years in IT corporate support and have seen some pretty cr%p support teams in my time. A company is only as strong as its weakest link. I have had my own domains for over 15 years, and have at various time run my own servers though these days I just use the free webspace from my current ISP and route my email through their mail servers (more correctly the ones they rent from google) and access them using IMAP off all of my devices. Originally I used a free name from dyndns, but soon moved a totally private one, in fact I have been with dyn.com for so long that I originally paid for dns hosting services by donation and when they moved to annual fees I got free lifetime services for dns services and mail forwarding for my original domains with the result that I only pay for the domain name renewals. As GSV3 say being independent of ISPs and Mail services when it comes to your email address is so much easier, particularly when some websites insist on using email addresses as userids and don't provide the facility to change them. Additionally because I have unlimited email address I can allocate email addresses to particular businesses which is very revealing as to which ones are passing on my details to third parties even though when asked I also opt for this not to happen.
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