blender
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Post by blender on Jul 25, 2020 12:07:53 GMT
These FAQ's last updated 3 June.
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sl75
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Post by sl75 on Jul 25, 2020 14:09:46 GMT
Beta testing with users began yesterday, but NDA prevents me saying anything more. Are you able to confirm that the beta test is a separate parallel system not connected to the live database?
i.e. that AC are not giving "beta testers" an unfair advantage over other users in either accessing their money more quickly, or being able to invest at a discount when nobody else can?
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Post by SteveT on Jul 25, 2020 15:30:37 GMT
Beta testing with users began yesterday, but NDA prevents me saying anything more. Are you able to confirm that the beta test is a separate parallel system not connected to the live database?
i.e. that AC are not giving "beta testers" an unfair advantage over other users in either accessing their money more quickly, or being able to invest at a discount when nobody else can?
Yes, of course.
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Post by theta on Jul 25, 2020 16:56:19 GMT
Beta testing with users began yesterday, but NDA prevents me saying anything more. Are you able to confirm that the beta test is a separate parallel system not connected to the live database?
i.e. that AC are not giving "beta testers" an unfair advantage over other users in either accessing their money more quickly, or being able to invest at a discount when nobody else can?
For someone to invest in a SM at a discount, someone else needs to sell at said discount. The way things are going, by the time the SM opens, there may be zero appetite for selling at any discount. Personally, when the SM was first introduced as an idea, I was thinking of buying at discount of 10% or more, and selling if the discount was less than 5%. Now that other assets have recovered, my potential bid/offer bands have moved up so I would consider buying even at 5% discount and probably not sell at all.
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Post by ceejay on Jul 25, 2020 17:56:07 GMT
Are you able to confirm that the beta test is a separate parallel system not connected to the live database?
i.e. that AC are not giving "beta testers" an unfair advantage over other users in either accessing their money more quickly, or being able to invest at a discount when nobody else can?
For someone to invest in a SM at a discount, someone else needs to sell at said discount. The way things are going, by the time the SM opens, there may be zero appetite for selling at any discount. Personally, when the SM was first introduced as an idea, I was thinking of buying at discount of 10% or more, and selling if the discount was less than 5%. Now that other assets have recovered, my potential bid/offer bands have moved up so I would consider buying even at 5% discount and probably not sell at all. Well, things have certainly moved on in the last couple of months - but it remains the case, I think, that if you want your money out of the AAs anytime in the next six to twelve months that you're going to need to sell at a modest discount. There are enough people who "need" their money back, plus a good few who have been spooked by the discovery that they were investing in an illiquid asset, to greatly outweigh the funds that might be available otherwise. So I'm pretty sure that there will be an appetite to sell at some sort of discount, and that a market will do what a market is supposed to do...
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blender
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Post by blender on Jul 25, 2020 19:37:41 GMT
Yes, I think the steam will soon go out of it. Being one of those with too much in the AAs, I will sell some at a modest discount - a few %, but not at a larger discount. The point is that if I know I can sell at a larger discount, then that solves my liquidity problem without actually having to do the selling until I need to. Others will be in a similar position. I will not be buying.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 25, 2020 20:01:34 GMT
Are you able to confirm that the beta test is a separate parallel system not connected to the live database?
i.e. that AC are not giving "beta testers" an unfair advantage over other users in either accessing their money more quickly, or being able to invest at a discount when nobody else can?
For someone to invest in a SM at a discount, someone else needs to sell at said discount. The way things are going, by the time the SM opens, there may be zero appetite for selling at any discount. Personally, when the SM was first introduced as an idea, I was thinking of buying at discount of 10% or more, and selling if the discount was less than 5%. Now that other assets have recovered, my potential bid/offer bands have moved up so I would consider buying even at 5% discount and probably not sell at all. I think that is unlikely. I believe many people still want out because of concerns over the long term stability of the platform and others because they think AC have betrayed them.
Personally, I am trying to liquidate all my P2P holdings, and would be happy to sell at a modest discount.
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Post by davee39 on Jul 25, 2020 20:42:55 GMT
Why would anyone buy muddy water, even at a discount?
We cannot quantify the amount of muck, and the water is undrinkable.
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Post by theta on Jul 25, 2020 22:18:52 GMT
Why would anyone buy muddy water, even at a discount? We cannot quantify the amount of muck, and the water is undrinkable. It may be useful to water the plants. That's why markets exist, to establish a fair price.
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Post by theta on Jul 25, 2020 22:30:24 GMT
The point is that if I know I can sell at a larger discount, then that solves my liquidity problem without actually having to do the selling until I need to Indeed, and this is the key to clearing the backlog. Some people will sell at whatever the new equilibrium is, others will choose not to sell and wait, being content knowing that they can sell if they want/have to. Then, after that new lower equilibrium is established any new net inflows will push the price back up until eventually it goes back to par. But you need the market to exist for this to happen, because until then no-one who wants to invest will do so at par when they know that soon they can buy at a discount instead. On the contrary the rational response is to place a redemption request so they can reinvest the proceeds at a discount in the SM.
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blender
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Post by blender on Jul 26, 2020 7:46:54 GMT
The point is that if I know I can sell at a larger discount, then that solves my liquidity problem without actually having to do the selling until I need to Indeed, and this is the key to clearing the backlog. Some people will sell at whatever the new equilibrium is, others will choose not to sell and wait, being content knowing that they can sell if they want/have to. Then, after that new lower equilibrium is established any new net inflows will push the price back up until eventually it goes back to par. But you need the market to exist for this to happen, because until then no-one who wants to invest will do so at par when they know that soon they can buy at a discount instead. On the contrary the rational response is to place a redemption request so they can reinvest the proceeds at a discount in the SM. And so the logic seems to be that if the platform is going to do this, it is best to do it quickly - not take four months plus. Those desperate for cash will have made other arrangements by now. With beta testing just starting, and a feeling that AC is in no hurry to deploy this rather than just have it available, those of us who need liquidity, rather than cash, will just place and keep 100% redemption requests - as I have done recently. True the cash distribution is now done pro-rata to total holdings rather than queued holdings, but that could easily change.
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Post by ashtondav on Jul 26, 2020 8:15:28 GMT
Why would anyone buy muddy water, even at a discount? We cannot quantify the amount of muck, and the water is undrinkable. Oh, for God’s sake!
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Post by dead-money on Jul 27, 2020 16:52:22 GMT
In other news: Seedr's have amended their secondary market to allow up to 30% premium or discount to the marked price on trades to improve liquidity.
So at least I can buy and sell Assetz Capital shares at a fair price now....
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Post by Mikeme on Jul 27, 2020 18:52:02 GMT
In other news: Seedr's have amended their secondary market to allow up to 30% premium or discount to the marked price on trades to improve liquidity.
So at least I can buy and sell Assetz Capital shares at a fair price now.... Are AC on the secondary market?
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Post by jj on Jul 27, 2020 19:05:48 GMT
In other news: Seedr's have amended their secondary market to allow up to 30% premium or discount to the marked price on trades to improve liquidity.
So at least I can buy and sell Assetz Capital shares at a fair price now.... Hello over there,
This is not a trap or anything but what do you consider a fair price?
Seeders reckons AC is about 16% over £2.35. Not that their opinion matters.
(you will probably get them for £2.35)
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