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Post by MrHappyGoLucky on Jun 26, 2020 22:26:16 GMT
Ripple Energy - Buy a slice of the wind farm and get cheaper energy bill. Interesting new crowdfunding investment
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Jun 27, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
The main innovation in this project appears to be that investors will be paid back through a reduction in their electricity bills, rather than paying interest or dividends directly, but it's not obvious to me why that is an advantage. There is a 'feel good' factor of having the illusion of receiving electricity directly from your own wind farm, but the reality is that the project will feed into the national grid just like all other generators.
The prospectus shows forecasts of return on investment on page 28, based on estimates of future electricity prices and the amount of electricity generated (which depends on wind). Based on the Government's mid-range forecast for electricity prices, a level of electricity generation that is 75% likely to be achieved, and a 20-year project lifespan, they project a 3.2% return on investment, which is much lower than what I initially estimated using the "quote" system on their website. They forecast that returns could range from as low as -0.8% to as high as 7.0% depending on assumptions. This is taxable, of course. Their forecasts have an additional caveat that low wholesale electricity prices right now mean that the rate of return for the first year will be lower than the amounts stated. They are expecting to complete construction and start generating power (and returns on investment) in April 2021. And on pages 35-36 of the prospectus they note that their generation forecasts are based on local Met Office data and a neighbouring wind farm, but "there have been no direct wind measurements at the project site" which seems quite surprising to me!
For people interested in investing in wind power, it would be worthwhile comparing this offer with similar schemes available from Energy4All, Abundance, and others.
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Post by keitha on Mar 30, 2024 22:57:31 GMT
Lol the first farm at Graig Fatha Paid 27p kWh last year and over achieved on production, This year it's paying just over 8P.
Kirk Hill the second project is currently 6 months late on an 8 month project, and well over expected cost, this means a bigger loan facility was required, investors will be paid 3.2pkWh.
at 3.2pkWh investors who do not pay tax on interest ( which is what HMRC see the return as ) will get their money back in 17 years
Put another way I have around £2,300 invested. that should return 3900 kWh a year, 3900 @3.2 p £124.80 , £114 is return of capital so £10.80 is my share of the profit, £10.80 a year on £2,300 is a poor return
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Post by keitha on Apr 27, 2024 13:27:47 GMT
LOL been reading the RIPPLE forums
People think that if they buy an amount that gives 2000kWh of annual production they get 2000kWh free, others that think because the Ripple overhead is 2P kWh that is what they will pay going forwards. and others that think if they have purchased over 100% they will get negative bills.
for me it was an easy concept to get my head round but a lot of people are very confused
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Post by keitha on Jul 3, 2024 21:12:24 GMT
Had some numbers for the first months production at Kirk Hill
I should get around £7.50
Given each month I should get 1/240 of my invested capital back ( 5% per year for first 20 years ) I should get £9.40 a month to break even.
12/7 production gave me 1.72p and the 10th 0.76p
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Post by keitha on Aug 1, 2024 9:40:57 GMT
ooh Ripple have stirred a hornets nest
as readers will know the Kirk Hill payment was announced as 3.2p for 6 months from ist June they have just announced a deal with EON next for the period to 31/12 at 4.9p
one of the big causes of anger is they have described the difference of over 50% as marginal
they have said they will start all new contracts on 1st Jan which raises the question what do those on the 3.2p rate get for that last month
Now we have Graig Fatha Paying 6.5p or so
Kirk hill paying 3.2p or 4.9p
and they are saying the solar farm Derrill water may pay 9p
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Post by keitha on Sept 17, 2024 16:15:02 GMT
I and quite a few others are on the "naughty step" with RIPPLEs forum
apparently some of my posts "weren't kind and respectful"
well if they are going to censor anything remotely critical ( and I've seen posts disappear ) ...
they have an issue with the real time data not updating since the 10th September, and they have now said they don't want further comments from members on the issue. Remember we the members are the owners it is our windfarm, I believe we have a right to express our views be they positive or negative, but this is not allowed by the gatekeepers of the forum
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Post by keitha on Oct 29, 2024 21:19:16 GMT
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Post by mostlywrong on Oct 30, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
Is this "failure" down to the company or is it due to the huge gyrations in the electricity market caused by other factors?
For example, I am aware that the wind generators such as Ripple can be told by National Grid (as was - now part of Mr Miliband's empire) to shut down because they are producing too much leccy. But this, in effect, cuts off the cheap leccy supply to the Battery operators which cannot recharge their batteries on cheap electricity (for sale at a profit during peak periods).
Yes, it is a mess.
Bad luck by the way. I hope that you aren't likely to lose too much.
MW
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Post by keitha on Oct 30, 2024 13:38:11 GMT
Its down to RIPPLE not submitting accounts on time, Accounts for 31/12/22 and 31/12/23 not submitted as required by law within 7 months
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Post by mostlywrong on Oct 30, 2024 14:28:58 GMT
Thanks for the information.
I will keep my fingers crossed for you!
MW
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Post by keitha on Oct 30, 2024 19:32:33 GMT
It appears they have until the end of December to get it sorted, one hopes the action from the FCA concentrates minds.
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