littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 6, 2020 12:16:32 GMT
Why would anyone cancel? What is to be gained? (These are genuine questions, not rhetorical) some will have 1 year contracts that will sell out naturally and therefore not cost 0.3% exit fee. it would be worth cancelling that kind of release. also some will have solid rates still and even with the 50% cut will take 4% +, which if you have the courage makes it a worthy punt. ISTM that neither of these would be a reason to cancel until close to the front?
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chris1200
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Post by chris1200 on Aug 6, 2020 12:17:32 GMT
I should have clarified that I don't see the logic in cancelling if you're far back in the queue. Once you start to get closer to the front, you might actually just want to keep (at least some of) your money earning what might not be a bad rate of interest compared to what else is available right now (my Access funds are earning 2.6% net of the 50% cut, for example). [Crossed with littleoldlady]
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Post by aju on Aug 6, 2020 13:52:37 GMT
Sorry I've locked you in now just for fun!!!! I don't see why I should be the only fool on the forums ... lol - you're far from that aju and waaaaayyy down the rankings when it comes to foolishness! It's refreshing to find yet another gentleman and a scholar, there are quite a few on here (and Ladies and Scholaresses too of course !)
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Post by beagle on Aug 6, 2020 16:53:23 GMT
some will have 1 year contracts that will sell out naturally and therefore not cost 0.3% exit fee. it would be worth cancelling that kind of release. also some will have solid rates still and even with the 50% cut will take 4% +, which if you have the courage makes it a worthy punt. ISTM that neither of these would be a reason to cancel until close to the front? ISTM? yes it depends on when you join the queue
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littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 6, 2020 20:46:04 GMT
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sd2
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Post by sd2 on Aug 8, 2020 14:34:10 GMT
Hurray movement at last that rich bugger has been paid back. 833 to 822. Maybe I will get my money before......54 months in 5 years all less than £10 Same in access all more than £10 but a few only just. So 54 months to get all my money back......possibly. I dunno surely there will be another rich'un along to take their place... with a number of 822 you are route 66 roads ahead of us on 13k + numbers. Thankfully not that much in access - just a bit of rate dabbling a while ago. 823 today??
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aju
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Post by aju on Aug 8, 2020 14:49:09 GMT
I dunno surely there will be another rich'un along to take their place... with a number of 822 you are route 66 roads ahead of us on 13k + numbers. Thankfully not that much in access - just a bit of rate dabbling a while ago. 823 today?? Is that a backwards move 1 place or did I read it wrong?.
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Post by spiral on Aug 8, 2020 17:19:41 GMT
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aju
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Post by aju on Aug 9, 2020 11:00:27 GMT
Its now a month since RS introduced this feature. In that time the number in front of me has decreased by an average of 3.53 per day. I assume you are referring to Access of course. To be honest your position suggests to me that a lot of those jumps could possibly be as a result of cancellations but sadly its not possible to guage this with so many references in our tables being considerable places apart to the previous one. It's going to be a long wait unless you are in the next positions as there is some serious money in the access product. On a lighter note I think myself and Mrs Aju might be a few 1000 better off in the week or so from edging closer to the front of the 5Y. The Access queue is not that relevant to us and fortunately we had very good! rates on that so even with 50% haircut till the end of the year it could be ok. The 1Y looks a little less helpful though. Its movement is slow only 60 or so places since mid July and most of that was in the first week of recording. Its almost certainly cancellations I feel.
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Post by rscal on Aug 9, 2020 12:30:02 GMT
Can anyone explain (for the feeble minded like myself) why Access market redemptions are so slow compared to 5 year? Is this partly a result on the latter being a discountinued/no longer available to new investor product and the Access being 'the flagship' and so being where most the the money lives?
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aju
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Post by aju on Aug 9, 2020 13:15:45 GMT
Can anyone explain (for the feeble minded like myself) why Access market redemptions are so slow compared to 5 year? Is this partly a result on the latter being a discountinued/no longer available to new investor product and the Access being 'the flagship' and so being where most the the money lives? Pretty simplistic but I believe it's the shear number and volumes of funds in that product I think coupled with the lack of funds coming in to assist the sales. I would assume that since the rates at the time it started were a little like bank rates but slightly above enough to tempt investors, I say that mindful of the debates as to whether it's savings (I know what I believe it is and savings it isn't much to the frustration of many who feel they were duped), although for me the rates needed to be much higher to at least try and mitigate risks such that we initially worked with the 5Y and 1Y until it became better when one knew how to chose rates carefully in the access product. There are some serious investors even in all the markets but especially Access, hence the reason that the Access products do tend to seem like they have stalled for days at a time as the money each day is limited and a big investor could take quite a while to clear their loan returns. Another reason that Access was popular is the no fee release aspect too. Whilst it's no fee then a mass exodus like we have seen starting in March was always bound to make things somewhat slow with a run of this kind. The seems sadly burst and are still being shored up... There may be others along who have a different view and to be fair there are a lot of views on these forums but hopefully that kind of clears a thing or two for you. In short people mistakenly thought it was a bank account instead of an investment.
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Post by ceejay on Aug 9, 2020 15:05:57 GMT
Can anyone explain (for the feeble minded like myself) why Access market redemptions are so slow compared to 5 year? Is this partly a result on the latter being a discountinued/no longer available to new investor product and the Access being 'the flagship' and so being where most the the money lives? Pretty simplistic but I believe it's the shear number and volumes of funds in that product I think coupled with the lack of funds coming in to assist the sales. I would assume that since the rates at the time it started were a little like bank rates but slightly above enough to tempt investors, I say that mindful of the debates as to whether it's savings (I know what I believe it is and savings it isn't much to the frustration of many who feel they were duped), although for me the rates needed to be much higher to at least try and mitigate risks such that we initially worked with the 5Y and 1Y until it became better when one knew how to chose rates carefully in the access product. There are some serious investors even in all the markets but especially Access, hence the reason that the Access products do tend to seem like they have stalled for days at a time as the money each day is limited and a big investor could take quite a while to clear their loan returns. Another reason that Access was popular is the no fee release aspect too. Whilst it's no fee then a mass exodus like we have seen starting in March was always bound to make things somewhat slow with a run of this kind. The seems sadly burst and are still being shored up... There may be others along who have a different view and to be fair there are a lot of views on these forums but hopefully that kind of clears a thing or two for you. In short people mistakenly thought it was a bank account instead of an investment. Sorry, but I don't think any of those observations really answer the question, which was why Access is going so much more slowly than 5Y. My own RYI tracking shows that about 5 times as many 5Y RYIs were/are being processed as Access ones. [this is a somewhat dubious calculation undermined by cancellations - the ratio may well be much higher but probably not lower] ISTM that RS are continuing to issue new loans, albeit at a moderate rate, and these loans will be being issued in the A/P/M market, which are using up all of the available redemption cash and leaving none for RYIs. Conversely in 5Y: there is a steady stream of redemption money coming in, some of which is presumably on autoinvest either by accident or design, and this is enough to fund an equally steady stream of RYIs with no new loans to divert the funds. RS would presumably have had the option to issue some of their new loans into the 5Y market instead of A/P/M, but why would they? 5Y gives them a redemption fee, after all, and it allows them to run down what they see as obsolete markets.
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Post by sd2 on Aug 12, 2020 11:22:52 GMT
Is that a backwards move 1 place or did I read it wrong?. it appears so!?
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Post by aju on Aug 12, 2020 11:44:20 GMT
Is that a backwards move 1 place or did I read it wrong?. it appears so!? What I read it wrong or it was a backwards movement.
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Post by chris1200 on Aug 13, 2020 7:35:16 GMT
A decent amount of A/P/M queue movement overnight. I will never make sense of all this...
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