coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Sept 19, 2020 11:45:48 GMT
I've not posted on FC for ages (no point really) but I thought I'd share my experience 3 years on from entering wind down.
By the time of implementation of FC's changes at 18 September 2017 I had managed to withdraw all of my total capital investment leaving a balance of just my total earnings of £5067.66 Here are figures for the subsequent anniversary dates:
2018: £5172.99
2019: £5110.51
2020: £5343.44 Since ceasing new lending I have received only repayments, bad debt accumulations and recovery payments. I have withdrawn £4,400 and currently have a balance of £944.54 (so it's taking an age, with plenty of scope for more deterioration/improvement!)
Simplified and pretty meaningless I know but maybe a bit of an indication on how a diversified portfolio in 'wind-down mode' might perform, for those who are interested?
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Post by df on Sept 20, 2020 17:32:00 GMT
I've not posted on FC for ages (no point really) but I thought I'd share my experience 3 years on from entering wind down.
By the time of implementation of FC's changes at 18 September 2017 I had managed to withdraw all of my total capital investment leaving a balance of just my total earnings of £5067.66 Here are figures for the subsequent anniversary dates:
2018: £5172.99
2019: £5110.51
2020: £5343.44 Since ceasing new lending I have received only repayments, bad debt accumulations and recovery payments. I have withdrawn £4,400 and currently have a balance of £944.54 (so it's taking an age, with plenty of scope for more deterioration/improvement!)
Simplified and pretty meaningless I know but maybe a bit of an indication on how a diversified portfolio in 'wind-down mode' might perform, for those who are interested?
I should've done the same before 18th Sept changes, but I've decided to give it a go with auto-investment for another year, which was a mistake. What is your 'annualised return' showing on your dashboard?
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coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Sept 21, 2020 9:58:03 GMT
What is your 'annualised return' showing on your dashboard? 8.6% LOL. Not that I've taken much notice of that for ages. (I think it was displaying 8.4% at start of wind down)
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m2btj
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Post by m2btj on Sept 21, 2020 12:47:08 GMT
I stopped investing after the introduction of 'black box' auto investment. After three years of weekly withdrawals I now have £874 lent out & an annualised return of 6%. I'm now withdrawing at a rate of about £25 per week & expect it will take at least another year to get the remainder of my investment out....subject to losses! I may see small recovery payments for the next three years!
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Post by ts1955 on Sept 22, 2020 13:39:03 GMT
75% of all auto-investments turned up bad-debts. Thankfully turned of this feature after a month otherwise would have been facing more bad debts. Just shows how due-diligence was done by the experts at FC on new borrowers.
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Post by dorset on Sept 22, 2020 17:10:27 GMT
Similar story here. I stopped investing in Sept/2017 and started to run off. At that stage I had about 1650 loans.
By 2018 I had taken out all of my original investment (made since 2011) and was then simply taking out reinvested profits.
As of today, I have 289 loans of which 99 are late. I have extracted 73% of my lifetime profits which if I now lose everything still left in gives an annual return of about 6%.
I have 391 bad debt loans in addition to the 289 as above. Recovery on the bad debts stands at 35.7% as of today.
No complaints at all about my returns from nine years with FC but FC as a business is, I am afraid, toast which at some point the investors still in at 68p will realise.
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ashtondav
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Post by ashtondav on Sept 22, 2020 17:43:02 GMT
Still getting 3 times as much as I would from a BS ( yearto 21 September) so I’ll hang on on.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Sept 22, 2020 18:17:50 GMT
Still getting 3 times as much as I would from a BS ( yearto 21 September) so I’ll hang on on. Given that with Funding Circle there is no other option, that is probably a good choice
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ton27
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Post by ton27 on Sept 23, 2020 17:32:56 GMT
I also started disinvestment when the Blackbox was introduced - on investment peaking at about £25k my annual return (per AC) is 7.3%. Recoveries are 50.5% but have been as high as 53%. Only £40 left in so now just need recoveries to continue, particularly on development loans.
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Post by blender on Sept 23, 2020 21:31:23 GMT
I started with FC in 2012 and had a particularly good run with property, up to the point of the black box, when most funds came out through the SM. We started a 'balanced' Isa in 2018 to test the black box for a year, after which it nearly all came out before the SM failed and was closed. So with really no investment left other than the defaults, and after a year of a dribble of recoveries, the ISA performance stands at 2.8%, while the two old accounts stand at over 10%. I don't expect to get much more back. Overall, though, we made over £50k before tax through FC over the years, which paid for some nice holidays. Also I learned much. Looking at the whole experience, rather than the poor ending, I say So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Post by gadget on Sept 24, 2020 6:21:22 GMT
I started with FC in 2012 and had a particularly good run with property, up to the point of the black box, when most funds came out through the SM. We started a 'balanced' Isa in 2018 to test the black box for a year, after which it nearly all came out before the SM failed and was closed. So with really no investment left other than the defaults, and after a year of a dribble of recoveries, the ISA performance stands at 2.8%, while the two old accounts stand at over 10%. I don't expect to get much more back. Overall, though, we made over £50k before tax through FC over the years, which paid for some nice holidays. Also I learned much. Looking at the whole experience, rather than the poor ending, I say So long and thanks for all the fish. My experience was very similar. 7% return when self select. 2% in the Isa Black box. I'm not sure if the difference is our genius for spotting bad risks or FC just getting more aggressive in a bid for supercharged growth pre IPO. Surely the latter. It's a bit sad that the dream of P2P has died. Theoretically disintermediation and the wisdom of crowds could have been really powerful. I don't blame FC et al though. Seems borrowers wanted certainty and lenders wouldn't accept credit risk. Case in point is the complaints and outrage on here with defaults. Anyway was fun for a few years...
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blender
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Post by blender on Sept 24, 2020 8:16:03 GMT
I started with FC in 2012 and had a particularly good run with property, up to the point of the black box, when most funds came out through the SM. We started a 'balanced' Isa in 2018 to test the black box for a year, after which it nearly all came out before the SM failed and was closed. So with really no investment left other than the defaults, and after a year of a dribble of recoveries, the ISA performance stands at 2.8%, while the two old accounts stand at over 10%. I don't expect to get much more back. Overall, though, we made over £50k before tax through FC over the years, which paid for some nice holidays. Also I learned much. Looking at the whole experience, rather than the poor ending, I say So long and thanks for all the fish. My experience was very similar. 7% return when self select. 2% in the Isa Black box. I'm not sure if the difference is our genius for spotting bad risks or FC just getting more aggressive in a bid for supercharged growth pre IPO. Surely the latter.It's a bit sad that the dream of P2P has died. Theoretically disintermediation and the wisdom of crowds could have been really powerful. I don't blame FC et al though. Seems borrowers wanted certainty and lenders wouldn't accept credit risk. Case in point is the complaints and outrage on here with defaults. Anyway was fun for a few years... Both, though genius is a bit strong. You could always do better than autobidders by selling after a few months, but the property came with cashback and guaranteed interest payments almost to the end of the loan. After the equalising black box, the IPO and the exit of venture capital etc drove the performance down and wrecked the liquidity. If you want true p2p, including a direct relationship with the fortunes of the borrower and a good SM to enter or exit at a market price, then try Ablrate - though only if you will risk sufficient cash to justify the risk assessment, which is a requirement of true p2p.
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coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Sept 20, 2021 10:35:13 GMT
I've not posted on FC for ages (no point really) but I thought I'd share my experience 3 years on from entering wind down. By the time of implementation of FC's changes at 18 September 2017 I had managed to withdraw all of my total capital investment leaving a balance of just my total earnings of £5067.66 Here are figures for the subsequent anniversary dates: 2018: £5172.99
2019: £5110.51
2020: £5343.44 Since ceasing new lending I have received only repayments, bad debt accumulations and recovery payments. I have withdrawn £4,400 and currently have a balance of £944.54 (so it's taking an age, with plenty of scope for more deterioration/improvement!)
Simplified and pretty meaningless I know but maybe a bit of an indication on how a diversified portfolio in 'wind-down mode' might perform, for those who are interested?
So, another year has passed and I have decided to give an annual update. 2021: 5548.26 Since last year's update (above) I have withdrawn a further £800 and my balance now stands at £350.18
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