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Post by adrianc on Jul 9, 2022 14:48:21 GMT
I was suggesting that these EU tenets definitely move in that direction of being untested economic reforms. Really...? Do go on and explain that in a bit more detail, because I'm genuinely fascinated.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 9, 2022 14:56:04 GMT
I was suggesting that these EU tenets definitely move in that direction of being untested economic reforms. Really...? Do go on and explain that in a bit more detail, because I'm genuinely fascinated. But why would you be genuinely fascinated in the opinions of someone you like to be referred to as a troll ?
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Post by registerme on Jul 9, 2022 15:07:41 GMT
55 delegates contributed to the creation of the US Constitution. Now I'm not pretending it's perfect, but it's done remarkably well for the 230 odd years it's been in use. So I am proposing the US Constitution as an example of a working system created by a tiny group of individuals that puts into doubt your assertion that such a thing is not possible. Ahh yes but they weren't proposing an economic system that hadn't been tried before. They were putting into law (as far as I know) or formalising a system that had continued for a long time. I'm no expert but I don't think any of it was an attempt to change the fundamentals of the economy as for example the system in Russia did 1917 with all the communist/marxist theory that a lot of people then had to endure. I was suggesting that these EU tenets definitely move in that direction of being untested economic reforms. I think you could argue that the US itself provides such a test. Movement of goods, services (with some seriously wacky exceptions *1), capital and labour in the US have historically been freer than in Europe, and provides some of the factors*2 contributing to the greater growth, dynamism and economic efficiency seen in the US when compared with Europe. *1 in Texas you need more permits to become a hairdresser than you do to own a gun, and qualifications from other states aren't accepted. There are many such stupid examples. *2 a single(ish) language being an example of an advantage that the US enjoys that Europe doesn't that isn't covered by goods / services / capital and labour
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Post by adrianc on Jul 10, 2022 8:24:17 GMT
Really...? Do go on and explain that in a bit more detail, because I'm genuinely fascinated. But why would you be genuinely fascinated in the opinions of someone you like to be referred to as a troll ? Umm, I didn't call you a troll. That was @bobo. Is somebody assumed to agree wholeheartedly with every single word in a post they "like", or simply with the general tenet? OTOH, one of the definitions of trolling is throwing contentious statements around, then failing to stand by them or explain them. Do I think you are a troll? No. Do I think you sometimes post trollishly? Yes. There is a difference between being X and doing X-like things. Same for trolling as for idiocy. I am not an idiot, but I often do idiotic things. So how are the four freedoms, as enshrined in the 1957 Treaty of Rome, as agreed to by 2/3 of the British electorate in 1975, and as demonstrably working just fine for around one sixth of the global economy, "untested economic reforms"? You claimed that "any tiny group of individuals will never be able to produce any kind of working system by dreaming up a load of virtual axioms". Isn't that exactly what the entirety of human socioeconomic development is? The US Constitution was raised as disproof of your claim - but, apparently, that doesn't count because it had been "tried before". How about the 27 amendments to that constitution? (The most recent of which was passed in the 1990s, btw, with another four post-dating that Treaty of Rome.) You could easily point to those amendments as being proof that working systems are living systems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 14:24:55 GMT
Pound reached 1.7 briefly. I bought my house in NL in 2000, transferring the entire sum at 1.65 so that rate sticks in my mind. In fact the Scots could have converted to the Matebele Gumbo Bean and have ended up relatively wealthier. The £ has steadily devalued against almost everything for the last century. This article explains why - loss of Great Power/ Reserve currency status. But since floating freely, the decline is to do with economic mismanagement relative to other countries. Other small country currencies comparable to Scotland tend have stronger and more stable currencies. creditwritedowns.com/2014/02/long-decline-great-british-pound.html#:~:text=The%20empire%20gradually%20disintegrated%20over%20the%20course%20of,dominance.%20But%20politicians%20were%20unwilling%20to%20accept%20this. The euro meanwhile, is at the same time rapidly devaluing against the US$. Concern for the future if the gas tap goes off. The only thing saving the Euro from another credit crisis caused by divergence between the responsible countries and the irrisponsible ones is that the gas problem drags down Germany as well. www.macrotrends.net/2548/euro-dollar-exchange-rate-historical-chartTo be fair both parties have had constant currency devaluation as a central objective for more than 50 years. Only Tony B-Liar got it out of kilter and had to calm it all down.
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Post by registerme on Jul 25, 2022 9:48:35 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 25, 2022 11:02:11 GMT
Even today's Guardian prints the REAL reason for the delays at Britain's busiest passenger port on the peak weekend of the year, and it's not the few extra seconds it takes to stamp your passport... " It [Dover] had made nine passport booths available for car numbers with a triage system also prioritising tourists over hauliers. But on Friday only six of those booths were staffed because of a shortage of French passport control officers." Instead of blaming Brexit, Grey should be asking why the French would man only 2/3rds of their booths on the busiest day of the calendar.
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Post by registerme on Jul 25, 2022 11:04:05 GMT
Did you actually read the blog Berny?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 25, 2022 11:12:47 GMT
Did you actually read the blog Berny? Yes, and I think his argument is disingenuous. Had they manned 100% on the busiest day of the year and queues still built up, I could accept what he says, but there was a glaring shortfall of French manpower. I went through Eurotunnel last month and can honestly say the extra couple of seconds to stamp our passports was completely unnoticeable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 11:16:40 GMT
How dare the French not accept higher costs to fix our mistakes for us. Totally unacceptable behaviour  |
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 25, 2022 11:36:28 GMT
How dare the French not accept higher costs to fix our mistakes for us. Totally unacceptable behaviour Yes, it's almost like they don't benefit from the £28bn in tourism that we take into Europe. As long as they are happy that they will have lost many holidaymakers for good.
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Post by aju on Jul 25, 2022 11:38:35 GMT
C'mon people lets all play fairly now or not at all  I checked over at full facts and they are not even on this one yet. As for ms. JHB I usually turn off before she even starts speaking. Interesting read/blog thanks registerme |
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Post by overthehill on Jul 25, 2022 11:41:02 GMT
Where are all the French strikes that are normally arranged to coincide with the English holidays ?
The French will never get over Brexit, the english channel will be resuming normal service repelling invaders in about 50 years!
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Post by jonno on Jul 25, 2022 11:48:25 GMT
Where are all the French strikes that are normally arranged to coincide with the English holidays ?
The French will never get over Brexit, the english channel will be resuming normal service repelling invaders in about 50 years!
As long as said invaders arrive in little rubber dinghies then we're doomed..................we're all DOOMED
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Post by keitha on Jul 25, 2022 12:38:14 GMT
Even today's Guardian prints the REAL reason for the delays at Britain's busiest passenger port on the peak weekend of the year, and it's not the few extra seconds it takes to stamp your passport... " It [Dover] had made nine passport booths available for car numbers with a triage system also prioritising tourists over hauliers. But on Friday only six of those booths were staffed because of a shortage of French passport control officers." Instead of blaming Brexit, Grey should be asking why the French would man only 2/3rds of their booths on the busiest day of the calendar. One traveller said this morning that on friday only 4 booths were staffed.
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