adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jan 28, 2023 12:12:54 GMT
...with a large element of "We warned you this would happen..."...and a fair degree of masochistic schadenfreude. We'd actually have been VERY happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by james100 on Jan 28, 2023 12:26:37 GMT
Those who are utterly against Brexit (not just on the forum but across the political scene) - what are the aims now of continuing to cry after the milk has been spilled ? Is it solely to feel better or is there a view that one day soon there could be another referendum. I find it interesting that Starmer who was what I would consider an arch remainer to the extent of frustrating democracy is likely to be the next PM and does not now express any such referendum views anymore. It's a good question. I see 'Brexit' as a feckless younger medium-distance relation...a dearly beloved nephew perhaps. He lazed and told slippery half truths for a couple of years to get out of revising for his A-levels (complicated, effort-dependent things but obviously necessary). It all went badly as predicted but he still can't/won't take responsibility for the outcome, keeps nagging me for more allowance and trying to bulls*it he only needs it because he got ill 4 years after he left school. It's tedious beyond belief, embarrassing and genuinely sad to see him waste his potential like this. The issues around Brexit are much wider than leaving the EU. And btw the milk spillage is not over by any stretch of the imagination. I mean no offence to anyone who voted for Brexit by the way - there's been far to much time, energy and ill will spent on this subject. To take my nephew analogy too far, I still love you but shut up, grow up, say you're sorry and do your resits before asking me for any more cash 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 12:51:35 GMT
we will have a referendum and Scotland will join the EU
none of that sounds good but that is my forecast
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jan 28, 2023 16:05:31 GMT
we will have a referendum and Scotland will join the EU The only question is before or after Irish reunification?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 16:19:38 GMT
before, the Irish free state does not want a civil war on its hands
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 28, 2023 16:24:35 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jan 28, 2023 17:57:57 GMT
Home Office incompetence is a Brexit benefit? But we had that before we left...
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 28, 2023 18:51:39 GMT
Home Office incompetence is a Brexit benefit? But we had that before we left... Seriously! Of course it's not a Brexit benefit even if it involves Brexit & benefits. Did you really miss the irony of EU citizens being the only ones benefitting? It was clearly a joke that just didn't need comment.
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Post by benaj on Jan 28, 2023 20:16:05 GMT
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Post by travolta on Jan 28, 2023 20:36:44 GMT
Its highly unlikely that the majority Scots would vote to leave the UK or rejoin the EU .
Its just a Media potboiler , stirred by the Nationalists.
I'd welcome another REF , just to wake up and hear the puzzled voices of the BBC in flat denial , yet again .
Just talk to people ,not the voxpop illusion.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 28, 2023 20:54:33 GMT
Those who are utterly against Brexit (not just on the forum but across the political scene) - what are the aims now of continuing to cry after the milk has been spilled ? Is it solely to feel better or is there a view that one day soon there could be another referendum. Do you know what the only difference is between "May's deal", which was so toxic to Johnson that he resigned as Foreign Minister, so toxic to the ERG that they voted their own party down in the largest government defeat ever, delaying their beloved exit by nine months, and Johnson's "oven ready deal"? The NI Protocol. Yes, the one that is now apparently so abysmal and destructive. The only other option was to break the Good Friday Agreement, which the US made VERY clear was not an option. The only difference? Memory fades, but wouldn't May's deal have bound the UK to the arrangement in perpetuity, unless and until we could persuade the EU to agree to release us? A most unlikely concession, prompting those who saw the folly to have at least a sunset clause inserted into the agreement, but the EU (and IIRC quite a few supposedly on our side) baulked at that idea. Happy to be corrected, but doesn't Johnson's deal at least provide (Article 16) for a UK unilateral exit mechanism?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 28, 2023 21:00:22 GMT
.... Unexpected benefit, £100 contactless payment during covid. 🤣🤣🤣 ... You are kidding right ? Please ?
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Post by benaj on Jan 28, 2023 21:05:23 GMT
Nope, that was published by Gov
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Post by overthehill on Jan 28, 2023 21:47:00 GMT
Its highly unlikely that the majority Scots would vote to leave the UK or rejoin the EU . Its just a Media potboiler , stirred by the Nationalists. I'd welcome another REF , just to wake up and hear the puzzled voices of the BBC in flat denial , yet again . Just talk to people ,not the voxpop illusion.
All the uncertainty has already tanked the scottish economy, name one big employer, I mean the ones that are there not the ones who decided not to invest.
Scotland already receives more UK government money per capita than anywhere else.
Currency ? Scottish pound.
Govt borrowing rates ? Enormous
UK debt share ? Enormous
EU membership, if and when ? Romania has 20M people, how often do you hear them mentioned in the EU, Scotland has 5M
Long list of things where the pursuit of independence takes precedence over. Every political issue must be manipulated and end with the statement 'it would be different in an independent Scotland'.
Sturgeon focuses on the big issues like LGBTQ rights for rapists but the small issues like the drugs epidemic and infestation and having several drugs capitals can wait till next year. She wants scottish independence so she can retire happy and spend the rest of her life in Europe and the ROW (not England)
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Post by keitha on Feb 7, 2023 12:31:51 GMT
Its highly unlikely that the majority Scots would vote to leave the UK or rejoin the EU . Its just a Media potboiler , stirred by the Nationalists. I'd welcome another REF , just to wake up and hear the puzzled voices of the BBC in flat denial , yet again . Just talk to people ,not the voxpop illusion.
All the uncertainty has already tanked the scottish economy, name one big employer, I mean the ones that are there not the ones who decided not to invest.
Scotland already receives more UK government money per capita than anywhere else.
Currency ? Scottish pound.
Govt borrowing rates ? Enormous
UK debt share ? Enormous
EU membership, if and when ? Romania has 20M people, how often do you hear them mentioned in the EU, Scotland has 5M
Long list of things where the pursuit of independence takes precedence over. Every political issue must be manipulated and end with the statement 'it would be different in an independent Scotland'.
Sturgeon focuses on the big issues like LGBTQ rights for rapists but the small issues like the drugs epidemic and infestation and having several drugs capitals can wait till next year. She wants Scottish independence so she can retire happy and spend the rest of her life in Europe and the ROW (not England)
IMHO she wants to be the first elected president of an Independent Scotland, the problem is I foresee her behaving like Mugabe in Zimbabwe. I believe there is a proposal to make the Barnett formula fairer, but she would see that as an attack on her and the SNP
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