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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2020 8:51:07 GMT
The trouble is many people have a terrible diet these days, eating ready prepared food, takeaways, sugary drinks etc, overweight/obese adults and children, childhood (and adult) diabetes on the rise etc. There is masses of good food out there, but the easy tasty stuff full of fat, salt, sugar and additives is what we tend to eat. I don't think anyone is advocating (or expecting) a return to the 50s in terms of food (or anything else on your list), but we could think about using less processed foods for our own health. Indeed - but that's not only a very different question, but short-shelf-life fresh foods are those which are going to be hit hardest by logistics issues, while the NFU is amongst those lobbying hardest against the current situation. As for nobody advocating a return to 1950s food choices, perhaps you missed the "Pah - who needs olives and brie anyway?" comments on page 1 of this thread?
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Post by dan1 on Oct 18, 2020 9:06:21 GMT
Two things about this unfolding ****show: 1. I'm not sure that people/businesses have fully grasped that everything will change come 1 Jan 2021 deal or no deal. 2. Who's going to profit financially from this ****show - apart from Tory donors that is? I'm not interested in speculating 'cos I guess it's all baked in but just out of curiosity. I agree, and have been trying to look more at point 1. It seems very difficult to quantify as there are so many things going on at once. With each strand of logistical challenge there comes significant risks of problems occurring, but what is the multiplicative effect of pulling on all of those strands at the same time? It's very difficult to say. It's usually foolhardy to buy too much into the worst scenarios, yet with each expert in each area describing at length and great detail how their one aspect is going to be a ***show, you have to wonder what it all could add up to. I think the most vanilla best case scenario I can imagine currently is that there will be a horrible short-term mess with the lorry queues, panic-buying, shortages and supermarket rationing similar to that seen with COVID. In the medium term, a sad economic spiral downwards as many of the unfortunately non-illusory project fear elements bite. Perhaps in the longer term things will improve, who knows. In the less vanilla scenarios, which rather scarily given this Government's track record seem more plausible, well god knows - take your pick. Freight being severely limited for months? The situation becoming so bad that some sort of totally humiliating emergency measure needs to be sought from the EU at great long-term cost to ourselves to ease it? I don't know. What already seems inevitable though is that the Government will truly regret not extending transition. I still can't believe that they opted not to in the face of a pandemic and with broad-based public support (yes, including Brexiters) for an extension if it were necessary. Which of course would have been the perfectly reasonable thing to do in almost unprecedented circumstances. Yet, no, we chose to pull on even that risk strand just to really test the limits. It beggars belief. I don't know, what do you think will/could happen?
Honestly, I don't have the foggiest! The problem is that the debate is polarised beyond rationality as, no doubt, the reporting after the end of the transition period will be. Whoever agreed to end the transition period mid-winter immediately following the annual logistics olympics that is Christmas should get their heads examined. It's not just logistics that are challenging at that time of year but think of energy supply and no doubt there are numerous others. We better hope for another mild winter as per the last one - could you imagine a beast from the east added to brexit, flu, and Covid-19. Our current nationalist regime seem intent on making enemies (EU, Biden, Chinese, Scots, Welsh, NI, Northerners) that you've got to wonder where it's all going to end up
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2020 9:15:01 GMT
Our current nationalist regime seem intent on making enemies (EU, Biden, Chinese, Scots, Welsh, NI, Northerners) that you've got to wonder where it's all going to end up BJ Piffle also seems intent on making enemies within his own party. My money's on him being impaled by the 1922 as soon as covid is out of the way. He's been a useful idiot and handed them a nice large majority - but now that he's gotbreggzitduninnit, he's outlived the usefulness and is just a liability.
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Post by dan1 on Oct 18, 2020 9:17:03 GMT
Our current nationalist regime seem intent on making enemies (EU, Biden, Chinese, Scots, Welsh, NI, Northerners) that you've got to wonder where it's all going to end up BJ Piffle also seems intent on making enemies within his own party. My money's on him being impaled by the 1922 as soon as covid is out of the way. He's been a useful idiot and handed them a nice large majority - but now that he's gotbreggzitduninnit, he's outlived the usefulness and is just a liability. it's endemic, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2020 9:18:53 GMT
BJ Piffle also seems intent on making enemies within his own party. My money's on him being impaled by the 1922 as soon as covid is out of the way. He's been a useful idiot and handed them a nice large majority - but now that he's gotbreggzitduninnit, he's outlived the usefulness and is just a liability. it's endemic, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <chuckle> Well, they may yet decide that getting their hands dirty by impaling him while it's still extant is the lesser of two evils.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 18, 2020 10:41:44 GMT
The trouble is, we are used to all this scaremongering. In 2016, experts, all the way up to the Chancellor himself, assured us if we voted the wrong way things would be so dire that the London Stock Exchange may have to close the next Monday and mass unemployment was certain to follow.
Never happened.
Remoaners crying wolf all through makes it difficult to know who or what to believe today.
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Post by dan1 on Oct 18, 2020 11:14:33 GMT
Our current nationalist regime seem intent on making enemies (EU, Biden, Chinese, Scots, Welsh, NI, Northerners) that you've got to wonder where it's all going to end up BJ Piffle also seems intent on making enemies within his own party. My money's on him being impaled by the 1922 as soon as covid is out of the way. He's been a useful idiot and handed them a nice large majority - but now that he's gotbreggzitduninnit, he's outlived the usefulness and is just a liability. You don't have to wait long these days Live Sir Graham Brady-Greater Manchester is United as Andy Burnham reiterates fair financing callaboutmanchester.co.uk/live-sir-graham-brady-greater-manchester-is-united-as-andy-burnham-reiterates-fair-financing-call/
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2020 15:32:56 GMT
Dowining Street is basically composed of ERG cronies who are drunk on the sunlight uplands rose-tinted story of Brexit. Worse. It's Dominic Cummings' mates. Worse. It's Dominic Cummings' mates. Just remind me... The Cabinet Office's "anti-corruption champion". Would that be Dido Harding's husband, John Penrose MP? It would indeed. (And is he on the board of a think-tank that calls for the NHS to be scrapped? He is indeed.)
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Post by ptr120 on Oct 18, 2020 15:58:33 GMT
However, lets not forget that BA have their entire 747 fleet parked up (cummulative cargo capacity about 4000t per trip), so it would suprise me if critical medication were in short supply. Just to point out that the BA 747 fleet has been withdrawn and the aircraft have been sent to the scrapyard. Some have already been broken up and almost all of the rest have had engines and other parts removed.
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Post by benaj on Oct 18, 2020 16:01:49 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Oct 18, 2020 18:15:18 GMT
However, lets not forget that BA have their entire 747 fleet parked up (cummulative cargo capacity about 4000t per trip), so it would suprise me if critical medication were in short supply. Just to point out that the BA 747 fleet has been withdrawn and the aircraft have been sent to the scrapyard. Some have already been broken up and almost all of the rest have had engines and other parts removed. Unlikely given that:
- one was seen flying over Boscastle this afternoon
- many are parked up in holding stations around Europe that don't have scrapping facilities (such as NQY)
- BA are selling farewell flights on the 747 bookable until March 21
In addition to this all of the A380's are sat up doing nothing along with a significant number of the crappy old 777's. If it becomes necessary to airfreight things into the country following Brexit, BA would jump at the chance to asist.
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Post by registerme on Oct 18, 2020 18:18:19 GMT
Out of interest agent69 how much does it cost to refit something like a 747 for cargo, and how long does it take? Is additional / new certification required?
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Post by agent69 on Oct 18, 2020 18:32:41 GMT
Out of interest agent69 how much does it cost to refit something like a 747 for cargo, and how long does it take? Is additional / new certification required?
There are limited facilities for scrapping aircraft and they are all crammed full as everyone wants rid of their older planes (not just BA). If you fancy buying one you could get a cracking price.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 18, 2020 19:53:42 GMT
Out of interest agent69 how much does it cost to refit something like a 747 for cargo, and how long does it take? Is additional / new certification required?
There are limited facilities for scrapping aircraft and they are all crammed full as everyone wants rid of their older planes (not just BA). If you fancy buying one you could get a cracking price.
Who was it that did that and launched a low cost airline in the 60's, 70s actually even 50s? Berlin airlift? I remember it, but can't remember the name, getting old!
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Post by Ace on Oct 18, 2020 20:09:47 GMT
There are limited facilities for scrapping aircraft and they are all crammed full as everyone wants rid of their older planes (not just BA). If you fancy buying one you could get a cracking price.
Who was it that did that and launched a low cost airline in the 60's, 70s actually even 50s? Berlin airlift? I remember it, but can't remember the name, getting old! Freddie Laker?
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