r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 25, 2021 14:30:57 GMT
It will be interesting when it comes into effect. Will millions of Amazon UK customers affected bu this charge? Technically, items are sold by Amazon EU Sarl. How do they define UK purchases? IP addresses, Mastercard issued by UK banks? I'd imagine in practice, if not quoshed beforehand, Amazon would absorb the cost and pass on at least some of the price rise to the consumer in certain goods purchased via amazon.co.uk through whatever method. Small companies may or may not bother to specifically add extra charges. They can easily determine if a credit card is UK issued, if need be.
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Post by dan1 on Jan 25, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
I had to visit www.trees-online.co.uk for myself.... I may even put in an order I wonder what'll happen to their orders... plummet or rocket?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 19:29:51 GMT
Now all we need is Jacob Rees-Mogg telling us all how happy the trees are to be British
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Post by agent69 on Jan 25, 2021 20:02:34 GMT
I had to visit www.trees-online.co.uk for myself.... I may even put in an order I wonder what'll happen to their orders... plummet or rocket? Cutting your nose off to spite your face?
To paraphrase the great Michael Jordan 'Brexiters buy trees, too'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 20:08:28 GMT
Cutting your nose off to spite your face? Just like Brexit
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Post by agent69 on Jan 25, 2021 20:16:47 GMT
Cutting your nose off to spite your face? Just like Brexit Only time will tell
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Post by wiseclerk on Jan 26, 2021 14:58:42 GMT
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 2, 2021 20:03:22 GMT
What are your thoughts on the big B so far? Mine: 1) Genuinely pleased that massive disruption has thus far been avoided (I mean of the 'nobody has any food' variety, appreciate there has been difficulty). 2) Pleased that Sterling is recovering slowly/steadily. 3) Quite disturbed by how many anecdotes I'm hearing from friends/family of businesses basically becoming unviable. For example, a friend had a business buying 2nd hand cars in the UK and selling them in the EU - now made totally impractical to do by red tape and cost of thereof. My wife was talking with her former boss today who said that due to the combination of Brexit and COVID, their London office won't be re-opening at all and operations will move to the continent. This sort of thing. 4) I can't help but reflect that if you tried to suggest that Brexit might impact on UK businesses ability to trade with Northern Ireland, you wouldn't just be accused of project fear, but laughed out of the place, even if you said it just last year. The associated ongoing threat to the peace process - not ideal. 5) lots of other bad stuff happening on fast or slow burns, e.g. death of shellfish industry). Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to overplay the significance of items 3,4 and 5 in the grand scheme of things, though I am sure 5) could contain many hundreds of stories and an awful lot of pain/disruption. I do still find myself asking " Where's the bill?" for all of this though. There is s o much cost to all of this, and all hugely compounded with COVID. It makes Theresa's "no magic money tree" comments in 2017 in hindsight look like she made them whilst standing in front of the World's largest money orchard.
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Post by daveb on Feb 2, 2021 21:24:26 GMT
Brexit has been much what I expected.
No "planes falling from the sky, empty supermarkets, no drugs" of the extreme end of the project fear merchants. Multiple examples of obstacles in the way of trade-the shellfish, the chap who can't import bees for his orchard, mounds of paperwork to send anything to Europe. It's all going to harm our recovery from covid
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Post by adrianc on Feb 2, 2021 21:36:32 GMT
Number 4, particularly, is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Govey's already admitting it's not just teething troubles - www.politicshome.com/news/article/michael-gove-admits-that-post-brexit-trade-issues-in-northern-ireland-are-not-teething-problems...then this morning's pulling of checks because of threats of violence towards customs staff - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55895276...but it's OK, the DUP are going to send a "strong message", gawd help us all. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55910506But, of course, all of this WAS eminently predictable - and it WAS predicted. There was only ever going to be two options for where to put a boundary between GB and the single market. And a boundary there had to be. One broke the GFA and annoyed the republicans, the other broke the UK and annoyed the unionists. This is from a Commons briefing doc, from January last year - commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit-and-the-northern-ireland-border/Boris chose A, of course. B was toxic. C was derided as "Brexit in name only", despite both Farage and Johnson saying in 2016's campaigning it was what they wanted, until May's ECJ red lines crossed it right off before negotiations even started. Or a bit further back, an article describing "the Brexit roadblock", from 2017. www.theworldweekly.com/reader/view/4377/the-brexit-roadblock - "A flare-up in the thorny Irish border issue seems to have taken Britain by surprise, but the only solutions in sight are temporary at best. ... The latest developments, however, show just how far the talks are from producing an arrangement that will avoid checks and controls along the Irish border, which some fear could destabilise Northern Ireland’s delicate political situation."But it was all shouted down as "project fear"...
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Post by michaelc on Feb 2, 2021 22:00:12 GMT
What are your thoughts on the big B so far? Mine: 1) Genuinely pleased that massive disruption has thus far been avoided (I mean of the 'nobody has any food' variety, appreciate there has been difficulty). 2) Pleased that Sterling is recovering slowly/steadily. 3) Quite disturbed by how many anecdotes I'm hearing from friends/family of businesses basically becoming unviable. For example, a friend had a business buying 2nd hand cars in the UK and selling them in the EU - now made totally impractical to do by red tape and cost of thereof. My wife was talking with her former boss today who said that due to the combination of Brexit and COVID, their London office won't be re-opening at all and operations will move to the continent. This sort of thing. 4) I can't help but reflect that if you tried to suggest that Brexit might impact on UK businesses ability to trade with Northern Ireland, you wouldn't just be accused of project fear, but laughed out of the place, even if you said it just last year. The associated ongoing threat to the peace process - not ideal. 5) lots of other bad stuff happening on fast or slow burns, e.g. death of shellfish industry). Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to overplay the significance of items 3,4 and 5 in the grand scheme of things, though I am sure 5) could contain many hundreds of stories and an awful lot of pain/disruption. I do still find myself asking " Where's the bill?" for all of this though. There is s o much cost to all of this, and all hugely compounded with COVID. It makes Theresa's "no magic money tree" comments in 2017 in hindsight look like she made them whilst standing in front of the World's largest money orchard. I liked your post as it was as honest as I think you could be without being too clouded with "told you so" stuff. On point 1 I really wasn't sure but my experience tells me often these dramatic cliff edges are more like bumps when they arrive. This country historically thankfully seems pretty good at staying away from huge drama. Yes Brexit feels huge to us but its as nothing compared to say the near-revolution, annexation and war that say Ukraine has felt recently. You missed out the vaccination programme for obvious reasons - it helps the little bit of "told you so" that remains in your post. Yes of course we could have gone our own way being part of the EU but it would been more unlikely and generally frowned on by the rest of the block. Brexit has helped in developing an ethos of resiliance which probably didn't harm the funding of vaccine production here. In general, I do think more moderate Leavers may actually be convinced it was the right move than vice-versa. The recent behaviour of the Commission has helped that. Once they see that a good proportion of Leavers are not rabid anti-immigrant Express readers but the tide may continue.
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Post by jlend on Feb 2, 2021 23:50:34 GMT
Rambling thoughts.... It is worth remembering that the vote to leave the EU was in 2016. Large companies with a UK presence have been quietly shifting jobs, adjusting process/logistics/physical warehousing/bonded warehousing and new investment decisions for many years irrespective of the final deal. For companies I have worked for more recently I have seen new manufacturing investments shifted to Europe etc, UK job cuts, warehousing set up in Europe etc. There are companies that are just getting on with it and not waiting to see how things settle down and not wanting to make a big deal of it in the press. New investment in the UK generally must be a concern going forward. A lot of large companies have figured something out at a cost. I have seen friends in financial services leave London for Europe. I don't really have a handle on how much of the professional services industry will shift from the UK to Europe gradually over time. The career I had I suspect is very difficult if not impossible now. I have family who live and work in Spain. For them the financial crash and more recently covid has been worse than Brexit having shifted their work away from UK expats. We haven't seen too much of an issue with things like food on shelves in GB, I think simply because of the transition period that Boris has given on imports from mainland Europe. We will need to wait until April and July to see the impact of that. There is no such transition period into mainland Europe from GB. It is exports from the UK to mainland Europe that is a bigger issue at the moment. Friends in France are still seeing empty shelves in M&S. A small thing but it does show the issues are with big and small companies. Business to consumer logistics to the EU fulfilled from GB warehousing I can't see surviving in any material form for any products unless things change. It is interesting looking at a large outdoor company in Germany (with a UK domain) that I regularly buy stuff from. They are managing to ship products direct from Germany to UK consumers, but have setup a warehouse in the UK for returns as they are struggling to get goods back into Germany... www.alpinetrek.co.uk/return/I can't see any material shipping of finished goods from Asia to the UK to then sell onto Europe longer term. This will impact jobs in the UK. I have only heard Nissan say something positive, but then a week later they announced 160 potential redundancies in the UK for non brexit reasons. I don't doubt the stories in the press about fish and the issues small companies in general are having. I don't know how much this adds up to and how many companies will give up or shift part of their supply chain to Europe or overcome the issues. I think there must be an impact but I haven't looked for articles that have tried to quantify this. How much fish is impacted? I think GB is a net importer of fish, will this change? I did some consulting work for one of the main pub chains, their fish was imported frozen from Asia for some fish and chips on their menu at the time.... In the UK it feels like Boris is betting on some improved free trade deals outside Europe. I would hope in the background he is speaking to businesses about this. Logistics have been a global problem due to covid so there is a lot of noise. My neighbour has hired 747s to fly finished stock from India and China for the first time. They simply can't know with any accuracy how long it will take for sea freight.
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Post by daveb on Feb 3, 2021 10:39:31 GMT
"You missed out the vaccination programme for obvious reasons - it helps the little bit of "told you so" that remains in your post. Yes of course we could have gone our own way being part of the EU but it would been more unlikely and generally frowned on by the rest of the block. Brexit has helped in developing an ethos of resiliance which probably didn't harm the funding of vaccine production here."
Funding the vaccine production here was done not because of Brexit, but because the alternative was an American company, and we didn't trust Trump. If we'd trusted Trump, we'd be talking about the Oxford Merck not the Oxford AZ vaccine.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 3, 2021 11:23:24 GMT
Back to NI... I guess quite a few of you have seen Nick Timothy's piece laying into Hammond for his long interview with UK In A Changing Europe... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/03/philip-hammonds-bogus-brexit-history-reveals-true-hostility/Here's Hammond's actual interview. A quick read-through explains exactly why Timothy is so hostile - because Hammond basically paints him as May's Cummings, behind the entire red-line/A50 strategy. ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-witness-archive/philip-hammond/Anyway... "PH: ... The Northern Ireland problem hadn’t really become front and centre in her mind, or indeed anybody’s mind, at this point. The big change in Theresa’s attitude to Brexit came when she understood – and it was like a light bulb going on – when she understood that the problems over Northern Ireland would inevitably lead to the break-up of the United Kingdom if we were not able to secure an arrangement with the European Union that allowed us, effectively, to able to access the Single Market. Once she understood that, Theresa then became a fanatical devotee of an ambitious deal with the European Union. Not because it would save the economy, but because it would save the union.UKICE: When do you think that light-bulb moment was?PH: It would be remiss of me to give an exact date. It was sometime between the general election and the big focus on the Northern Ireland protocol, which was during the summer and autumn of 2018. It was sometime in the second half of 2017 to early 2018 that it started to become the dominant theme in her mind."(Taken from just above "Second May Government" divider) Later on, "After Government", of Boris and his "key people and influencers"... "They weren’t prepared to compromise at all in order to get a deal, so their position on the Northern Ireland border was either naïve or duplicitous. I’ll leave it to history to decide which."It's worth reading the entire transcript, and they say it is a verbatim unedited transcript, wherever your views lay.
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Post by jlend on Feb 3, 2021 13:29:17 GMT
I thought this video summed up the general fish issues well. Of course there are bigger issues with the seemingly banned shell fish.
The paperwork, vet bills, port delays and lower fish prices.... I hope things are streamlined and also prices pick up as the covid situation improves.
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