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Post by adrianc on Feb 9, 2021 17:02:12 GMT
I wasn't a "true believer" at the time of the referendum but have become so due to events afterwards. Can I clarify, please, michaelc? Are you saying that you voted to remain in 2016, but - if the referendum was tomorrow and with the benefit of what you now know about where we've ended up - you would vote to leave? What is it that's changed your mind or hardened your opinion?
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Post by michaelc on Feb 9, 2021 18:48:24 GMT
Crying over spilt milk is never a good idea. Lets hear less of "would/should 've" and more of "should do". I suppose its easier to have such a philosophical attitude when its other peoples milk that you've spilt. Not really, considering my brother has worked for the eu parliament and uncle for the commission most of their lives it does affect our family quite a lot.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 9, 2021 18:51:09 GMT
I wasn't a "true believer" at the time of the referendum but have become so due to events afterwards. Can I clarify, please, michaelc ? Are you saying that you voted to remain in 2016, but - if the referendum was tomorrow and with the benefit of what you now know about where we've ended up - you would vote to leave? What is it that's changed your mind or hardened your opinion? No, I voted Leave in 2016. If it was tomorrow, I'd have to think about it quite a bit as I did the first time round.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 9, 2021 19:24:20 GMT
Taking one of the logistics problems in isolation, meat, cheese and seafood (Not products I am involved in shipping) are subject to veterinary checks and mountains of extra form filling and delays for one good reason. The UK government reserved the right in the Withdrawal Treaty to diverge from EU hygiene standards.
The UK has been subject to EU hygiene standards for 45 years. The UK government at no time has claimed that they are inadequate. It was simply in the quest for ideological purity that they insisted on the right to diverge from them, disregarding the chaos it would cause. Whether or not Brexit was a good idea, it is the way it has been implemented, regardless of the impact it would have on working peoples' lives, that irredeemably damages the whole reckless enterprise.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 9, 2021 19:44:16 GMT
Can I clarify, please, michaelc ? Are you saying that you voted to remain in 2016, but - if the referendum was tomorrow and with the benefit of what you now know about where we've ended up - you would vote to leave? What is it that's changed your mind or hardened your opinion? No, I voted Leave in 2016. If it was tomorrow, I'd have to think about it quite a bit as I did the first time round. Are we where you wanted to be or expected to be? If not, who do you hold responsible?
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Post by michaelc on Feb 9, 2021 21:42:50 GMT
No, I voted Leave in 2016. If it was tomorrow, I'd have to think about it quite a bit as I did the first time round. Are we where you wanted to be or expected to be? If not, who do you hold responsible? Worse than I thought pre-referendum but better than I thought in the years that followed. Of course you know who I'm going to blame and you'd be right. Although I'd add to that the cast of anti democratic Remainers influencing un-said Commision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 22:50:59 GMT
Although I'd add to that the cast of anti democratic Remainers influencing un-said Commision. Ah yes of course. The farce would not be complete without delusional Brexiteers blaming Remainers for Brexit failures
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Post by michaelc on Feb 9, 2021 23:12:09 GMT
Although I'd add to that the cast of anti democratic Remainers influencing un-said Commision. Ah yes of course. The farce would not be complete without delusional Brexiteers blaming Remainers for Brexit failures You know what, I never have called you or your fellow remainer forumites "delusional" or indeed thrown any other insults around. It seems to me you have no wish to have a discussion about it. You are right and I'm delusional. There ends the discussion. Have fun agreeing with everyone else here !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 23:26:18 GMT
You know what, I never have called you or your fellow remainer forumites "delusional" or indeed thrown any other insults around. Oh I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realise that 'anti-democratic' was a term of affection in your mind But yeah, you stick to your delusion that you would never use such pejorative terms, even though you just did...
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Post by jlend on Feb 10, 2021 8:55:55 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 10, 2021 9:04:58 GMT
Are we where you wanted to be or expected to be? If not, who do you hold responsible? Worse than I thought pre-referendum but better than I thought in the years that followed. Of course you know who I'm going to blame and you'd be right. Although I'd add to that the cast of anti democratic Remainers influencing un-said Commision. Umm, how did remainers have any influence in the negotiations? And how was it the EU27's responsibility to get a good deal for the UK?
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Post by travolta on Feb 10, 2021 21:40:20 GMT
Not if we decide not to waste money on them and buy our own.
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Post by registerme on Feb 11, 2021 1:24:37 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 11, 2021 8:20:48 GMT
Are we going to see inflation on many fresh products like food and flowers we import this year? Not if we decide not to waste money on them and buy our own. What UK-grown fruit and veg is in-season currently?
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Post by agent69 on Feb 11, 2021 9:06:10 GMT
Not if we decide not to waste money on them and buy our own. What UK-grown fruit and veg is in-season currently? According to the vegetarian society, UK seasonally grown produce includes:
January
Apples, Beetroot, Brussels Sprouts, Carrots, Celeriac, Celery, Chicory, Jerusalem Artichokes, Kale, Leeks, Mushrooms, Onions, Parsnips, Pears, Red Cabbage, Salsify, Savoy Cabbage, Spring Greens, Spring Onions, Squash, Swedes, Turnips, White Cabbage.
February
Apples, Beetroot, Brussels Sprouts, Carrots, Celeriac, Chicory, Jerusalem Artichokes, Kale, Leeks, Mushrooms, Onions, Parsnips, Pears, Purple Sprouting Broccoli, Red Cabbage, Salsify, Savoy Cabbage, Spring Greens, Spring Onions, Squash, Swedes, White Cabbage.
March
Artichoke, Beetroot, Carrots, Chicory, Cucumber, Leeks, Parsnip, Purple Sprouting Broccoli, Radishes, Rhubarb, Sorrel, Spring Greens, Spring Onions, Watercress.
April
Artichoke, Beetroot, Carrots, Chicory, New Potatoes, Kale, Morel Mushrooms, Parsnips, Radishes, Rhubarb, Rocket, Sorrel, Spinach, Spring Greens, Spring Onions, Watercress.
May
Artichoke, Asparagus, Aubergine, Beetroot, Chicory, Chillies, Elderflowers, Lettuce, Marrow, New Potatoes, Peas, Peppers, Radishes, Rhubarb, Rocket, Samphire, Sorrel, Spinach, Spring Greens, Spring Onions, Strawberries, Sweetheart Cabbage, Watercress
Things pick up a bit from June.
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