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Post by adrianc on Feb 18, 2021 20:23:14 GMT
I'm going to take a guess at the one that led to this joyful scene of victorious news being gladly received by those who have their hearts' desires... Well that was my initial thoughts, but it wouldn't make sense given I voted remain. However, I respect the view of the majority who voted (who in their right mind would allow such an important decision to be taken by a simple majority of those who voted?), and if that means going to hell in a hand cart so be it. But before peolple start criticising the size and shape of the cart, they should allow a reasonable amount of time to see which way it's headed.
How long do you need to recognise a dung cart as a dung cart?
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Post by agent69 on Feb 18, 2021 20:31:53 GMT
Well that was my initial thoughts, but it wouldn't make sense given I voted remain. However, I respect the view of the majority who voted (who in their right mind would allow such an important decision to be taken by a simple majority of those who voted?), and if that means going to hell in a hand cart so be it. But before peolple start criticising the size and shape of the cart, they should allow a reasonable amount of time to see which way it's headed.
How long do you need to recognise a dung cart as a dung cart? A lot longer than 6 weeks
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Post by adrianc on Feb 18, 2021 20:34:06 GMT
How long do you need to recognise a dung cart as a dung cart? A lot longer than 6 weeks Well, that's OK - because we've had a lot longer. About 4 years since May's red lines ruled out everything bar the hardest of hard. About 18 months since Johnson accepted the inevitable and drew the border down the Irish Sea. Granted, we didn't know quite HOW badly those terrible concepts would be implemented, but...
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 18, 2021 22:05:26 GMT
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BTW I got Pfizer jab 1 yesterday afternoon hence the "joie de vivre".
perhaps I was I bit rushed in getting my jab..I ended up with Azn, and I'm not so sure.....on the other hand, I see that the new news is that they now think the Pfizer is maybe not so hot against the SA variant.....
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 18, 2021 22:34:13 GMT
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BTW I got Pfizer jab 1 yesterday afternoon hence the "joie de vivre".
perhaps I was I bit rushed in getting my jab..I ended up with Azn, and I'm not so sure.....on the other hand, I see that the new news is that they now think the Pfizer is maybe not so hot against the SA variant..... As I have already had COVID19, my reading has suggested some advantages in getting the Pfizer jab - I can book at several centres in London, and I am not in a hurry as I will be naturally immune for some time (although I do want the second dose before the summer so that I can travel if things are loosened up with the inevitable vaccination passport), but it's a hell of a job finding out which centre is giving which jab on which day.
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Post by registerme on Feb 18, 2021 23:50:11 GMT
Trying to blame the EU is the political equivalent of "the dog ate my homework". Absolute tosh. It's the equivalent of " my homework ate my homework".
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 19, 2021 10:25:50 GMT
The Brexit could have been structured to try to get the best of both the world of EU trade and the world of trade outside that we were apparently missing out on. That would have been a 'balanced Brexit', and might even have eked out a net gain in national wealth over time.
What the government did was to take an antagonistic approach to the EU, walk away with bare bones deal that threw up trade barriers that choke all the UK's main trade arteries, then refuse to allow any review to take place into this, and proclaim that the rest of the world would be open to trade in spite of having no trade talks close to conclusion with any country outside of rolled over EU deals and just a hope to join the 'Pacific Partnership", which is hugely doubtful.
Looking to the future, we need to ask, when and how can this situation be improved? As nothing that is going to replace the lost EU trade is on the horizon, and indeed full implementation of border checks has not even yet been introduced meaning that things will soon get even worse, the only course is for the government to get straight back into the negotiating chamber with the EU and start trying to renegotiate easements to the current restrictions. They can do that by not wa*king off about Sovereignty over every issue, and agree not to weaken standards in particular sectors like health, hygiene, phytosanitary etc, and on double taxation of imports from third countries.
However, the government is doing no such thing. They have not reengaged with the EU to improve the situation for British businesses. They are standing by and saying 'We Got Brexit Done'. Industry and business can go hang itself on the border fence. This is a huge dereliction of the duty of government and they are allowed to get away with it be a compliant press and fearful broadcasters by which I am sad to say I mean the BBC.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 19, 2021 10:28:35 GMT
The Brexit could have been structured to try to get the best of both the world of EU trade and the world of trade outside that we were apparently missing out on. That would have been a 'balanced Brexit', and might even have eked out a net gain in national wealth over time. What the government did was to take an antagonistic approach to the EU, walk away with bare bones deal that threw up trade barriers that choke all the UK's main trade arteries, then refuse to allow any review to take place into this, and proclaim that the rest of the world would be open to trade in spite of having no trade talks close to conclusion with any country outside of rolled over EU deals and just a hope to join the 'Pacific Partnership", which is hugely doubtful. Looking to the future, we need to ask, when and how can this situation be improved? As nothing that is going to replace the lost EU trade is on the horizon, and indeed full implementation of border checks has not even yet been introduced meaning that things will soon get even worse, the only course is for the government to get straight back into the negotiating chamber with the EU and start trying to renegotiate easements to the current restrictions. They can do that by not wa*king off about Sovereignty over every issue, and agree not to weaken standards in particular sectors like health, hygiene, phytosanitary etc, and on double taxation of imports from third countries. However, the government is doing no such thing. They have not reengaged with the EU to improve the situation for British businesses. They are standing by and saying 'We Got Brexit Done'. Industry and business can go hang itself on the border fence. This is a huge dereliction of the duty of government and they are allowed to get away with it be a compliant press and fearful broadcasters by which I am sad to say I mean the BBC. Problem is they are addicted to this now - hard to give it up. I bet you see their hair start falling out soon.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 19, 2021 11:42:06 GMT
The Brexit could have been structured to try to get the best of both the world of EU trade and the world of trade outside that we were apparently missing out on. That would have been a 'balanced Brexit', and might even have eked out a net gain in national wealth over time. What the government did was to take an antagonistic approach to the EU, walk away with bare bones deal that threw up trade barriers that choke all the UK's main trade arteries, then refuse to allow any review to take place into this, and proclaim that the rest of the world would be open to trade in spite of having no trade talks close to conclusion with any country outside of rolled over EU deals and just a hope to join the 'Pacific Partnership", which is hugely doubtful. Looking to the future, we need to ask, when and how can this situation be improved? As nothing that is going to replace the lost EU trade is on the horizon, and indeed full implementation of border checks has not even yet been introduced meaning that things will soon get even worse, the only course is for the government to get straight back into the negotiating chamber with the EU and start trying to renegotiate easements to the current restrictions. They can do that by not wa*king off about Sovereignty over every issue, and agree not to weaken standards in particular sectors like health, hygiene, phytosanitary etc, and on double taxation of imports from third countries. However, the government is doing no such thing. They have not reengaged with the EU to improve the situation for British businesses. They are standing by and saying 'We Got Brexit Done'. Industry and business can go hang itself on the border fence. This is a huge dereliction of the duty of government and they are allowed to get away with it be a compliant press and fearful broadcasters by which I am sad to say I mean the BBC. When and where does the bill fall if they continue to sit back? This is what I continue to struggle with. We're simultaneously in the process of debilitating various industries via Brexit (e.g. SME export/imports, fishing, finance, auto, arts) whilst also having industries damaged by COVID (arts (again), leisure, hospitality, travel especially), whilst supporting millions of peoples pay for months and months. Meanwhile, people ponder about trivia like tweaks to capital gains tax and share ISA's for the budget, as if we're in fine sailing conditions. I just find it bizarre. If it's all somehow economically dandy then why the F did we go through a multi-year austerity drive in the last decade? Closing libraries, insufficient funds for schools, inadequate social care etc. Are we just going to go from a period of the newspapers ignoring Brexit to suddenly finding our country's credit in tatters a la Italy/Greece of old? Bizarrely the pound is stronger than it has been for some time (although perhaps more to do with the dollar weakening). Can't really understand it. I'm trying to make the most of it before it dives again.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 19, 2021 12:09:41 GMT
Bizarrely the pound is stronger than it has been for some time (although perhaps more to do with the dollar weakening). Can't really understand it. I'm trying to make the most of it before it dives again. It is principally genuinely the £ strengthening rather than $/euro weakness, from fiddling about with the indices. The post-referendum average is 1.14, so at 1.15 currently it's not exactly going bananas, but good to see. As to why, I think the currency markets are more short-term driven, and they like the combination of our vaccination program and brexit being 'done'. We were also starting from a weaker position than we'd otherwise have been in so there's probably an element of reversion going on. Like stock markets, sentiment can be more important than fundamentals. The news has been so relentlessly dreadful for 5 years that this *relatively* seems like an upbeat time for the UK. Longer term, given that I'm yet to see a really good quantitative analysis of the cumulative impact of all of this, perhaps the currency markets are somewhat wading in the dark too? Perhaps the longer term is just too unclear? I'm obviously perfectly aware that the other take one could have is that all of these problems are teething issues drummed up by the left-wing press, and that the real story is a solid rise because of how generally amazing things are. Not a take I subscribe to, as we've quite clearly made things fundamentally worse. Difficult to say by how much, but there are haybales in the "financial benefits" column so it's clearly a negative number, and probably a very large one. (Can't imagine why Govt. are so hesitant to release the impact assessment?) Longer-term we're obviously in the area of the unknown - Can the Brexit crew keep all of this s**t largely confined to the pink pages, is that actually possible? Or will all of these issues culminate in some poignant epoch-defining event? No idea. Regardless of the above, I'll get back to being peed off about my freedom of movement. Likely going to have to shell out over £600 shortly for 3 PCR tests just for the privilege of being forced to return to the UK shortly thanks to this farce. PS - I had deleted my previous comment just because I felt I had made much the same points/questions before. No biggie anyway.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 22, 2021 10:07:08 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Feb 22, 2021 10:39:34 GMT
Interesting if you believe everything you read in the Gurdian
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 22, 2021 12:13:18 GMT
The very definition of 'ad hominem'. If you can't play the ball, play the man.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 22, 2021 12:37:21 GMT
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Post by jlend on Feb 25, 2021 7:14:39 GMT
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