adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 17, 2021 17:35:37 GMT
hahahaha I knew you'd take that well! Perhaps they just want to run their business as they were promised. Remember this mega-lie... "there will be no non-tariff barriers to trade" Maybe just twigged there is a market for viewpoints and has another branch selling British oak trees for British soil. I'm sure you will get to the root of it if you check the address. Leaf means leaf.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 17, 2021 17:59:03 GMT
I guess that's one way of looking at it.
Possibly, just a bitter and twisted remainer, who can't accept that the vote didn't go their way. Far better to spend every waking moment complaining about it rather than trying to resolve whatever problems exist.
hahahaha I knew you'd take that well! Perhaps they just want to run their business as they were promised. Remember this mega-lie... "there will be no non-tariff barriers to trade" I'm not saying they weren't sold a pig in a poke, just that having a hissy fit and throwing your toys out the pram isn't the best way to solve the problem.
Also, alienating a large proportion of potential customers who are Brexiteers probably isn't a good idea either.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2021 18:17:41 GMT
This site is like a gift that keeps on giving (my red boxes, as if this wasn't evident).... and the footer... I had to visit www.trees-online.co.uk for myself.... I may even put in an order I wonder what'll happen to their orders... plummet or rocket? I do get why most Remainers would label the site as the "gift that keeps on giving" and I suppose a bit of fun but it does suggest doesn't it that you/they are really looking for as many "told you so" moments as possible? We are indeed fairly close after the "real" brexit so I suppose the losers in the referendum should have their moment to say "told you so" but at some point we do need to think about what is next outside of a "told you so" context. I will happen but just take time....
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 17, 2021 18:44:51 GMT
From your no doubt comfortable high horses, you michaelc and you agent69 breezily wave away the damage to an exporting companies' finances. But this is one of thousands, making less profit, making lower tax payments, making people redundant because of a self-indulgent vote you both made made knowing that you would not bear the direct consequences.
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Post by starfished on Feb 17, 2021 19:04:31 GMT
From your no doubt comfortable high horses, you michaelc and you agent69 breezily wave away the damage to an exporting companies' finances. But this is one of thousands, making less profit, making lower tax payments, making people redundant because of a self-indulgent vote you both made made knowing that you would not bear the direct consequences. I know things are no doubt very difficult for you at the moment and I do hope they get better. If I am honest, I am not sure they will on friction-less trade specifically (how can it?). But I have to say I don't think you are being entirely fair either by questioning / speculating on individual motives. People voted for Brexit for all sorts of reasons. The equivalent is saying someone only votes left of centre because it typically benefits them (it usually doesn't financially!)
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 17, 2021 19:56:51 GMT
I appreciate that thoughtful answer, starfished. The thing is, medium and small companies cannot participate in the governments vision of trade with the Commonwealth and the Far East because a) they haven't signed any significant trade deals and b) because the costs of filling and shipping containers implies a scale of production that they can't reach and c) the type of goods unsuitable for long distance trade because of shelf life or they deal in goods that originated in the far east in the first place, whether they are processed or simply forwarded from the UK. At the moment we are in the 'smugglers charter' period for imported goods, where the Gvt instructed HMRC to just waive in imports from the EU without checking and importers do not have to file full declarations until 3 months later. in order that Brexit didn't immediately look like a disaster. And because they didn't have enough customs officials. But this ends in June or July when things get tougher still. These dreadful results were what was branded 'Project Fear'. But in reality, every country conducts most of its trade proportionately to the countries nearest to it. While nationalist passions might last for the next five years or so, the wearing down of the country through unnecessary trade barriers with our nearest customers will be ever present while the nationalist passions flicker and die.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 17, 2021 20:53:05 GMT
From your no doubt comfortable high horses, you michaelc and you agent69 breezily wave away the damage to an exporting companies' finances. But this is one of thousands, making less profit, making lower tax payments, making people redundant because of a self-indulgent vote you both made made knowing that you would not bear the direct consequences. What vote would this be?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 17, 2021 21:45:20 GMT
From your no doubt comfortable high horses, you michaelc and you agent69 breezily wave away the damage to an exporting companies' finances. But this is one of thousands, making less profit, making lower tax payments, making people redundant because of a self-indulgent vote you both made made knowing that you would not bear the direct consequences. What vote would this be? I'm going to take a guess at the one that led to this joyful scene of victorious news being gladly received by those who have their hearts' desires...
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Post by dan1 on Feb 17, 2021 21:46:30 GMT
This site is like a gift that keeps on giving (my red boxes, as if this wasn't evident).... and the footer... I do get why most Remainers would label the site as the "gift that keeps on giving" and I suppose a bit of fun but it does suggest doesn't it that you/they are really looking for as many "told you so" moments as possible? We are indeed fairly close after the "real" brexit so I suppose the losers in the referendum should have their moment to say "told you so" but at some point we do need to think about what is next outside of a "told you so" context. I will happen but just take time.... TBH michaelc it was just funny (to me that is, and I understand why it wouldn't be to others). It wasn't even about "I told you so" or anything else, it just made me laugh. I saw the headline (link posted by jlend I think) and was reminded of my previous post. I haven't even read that article.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 17, 2021 22:10:50 GMT
I'm going to take a guess at the one that led to this joyful scene of victorious news being gladly received by those who have their hearts' desires... I don't know if it's a false memory, but I distinctly recall watching Boris being interviewed on that first fateful post-ref morning. I can't remember what he actually said, but I remember he had the look of a shame-faced schoolchild who had just been caught having a fag behind the bike sheds and was having to explain the indefensible. In hindsight, it was rather odd that he wasn't quick-witted enough to immediately start with the chirpy banter, but in those first moments it was as if he was as taken aback as everyone else. edit: Browsing tinternet, I guess I didn't imagine it ( Guardian article)
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Post by adrianc on Feb 18, 2021 7:54:01 GMT
It really was the ultimate expression of "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 10:06:03 GMT
While the Brexiteers continue to eat s**t having failed to understand tricky words like "negotiation" and "economics" the whole tree situation gets worse. Not only can Britain not ship trees to Northern Ireland the EU can continue to ship trees into the UK.
So the monkeys, seeking sovereignty, failed to achieve it.
As a result their (their) cheap infected trees continue to bring new and nasty European illnesses to our (our) trees.
Oven ready, my a***e.
BTW I got Pfizer jab 1 yesterday afternoon hence the "joie de vivre".
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Post by adrianc on Feb 18, 2021 13:05:19 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 18, 2021 19:04:03 GMT
Meanwhile at the Daily Express, onto whose site I accidentally trod, we appear to be at war with the EU in an alternatively factual world.
While even their writers from a parallel universe can't actually find a positive thing about Brexit, that can apparently be set aside if the EU were to collapse. So the paper's main concern is to broadcast the opinions of various unqualified lunatics whose seaweed has gone limp, indicating that (insert country here) is about to follow Britain's glorious lead. Frexit, Nexit, Swexit, Apparently the are all just months away. Emmanuel Macron is Satan and Hitler rolled into one, by the way.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 18, 2021 19:56:22 GMT
I'm going to take a guess at the one that led to this joyful scene of victorious news being gladly received by those who have their hearts' desires...
Well that was my initial thoughts, but it wouldn't make sense given I voted remain. However, I respect the view of the majority who voted (who in their right mind would allow such an important decision to be taken by a simple majority of those who voted?), and if that means going to hell in a hand cart so be it. But before peolple start criticising the size and shape of the cart, they should allow a reasonable amount of time to see which way it's headed.
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