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Post by batchoy on Dec 11, 2014 17:34:42 GMT
andrewholgate's statement 'Again, judge us on losses. You have yet to lose a single penny with AC.' Though strictly correct in terms of capital losses is somewhat disingenuous. As early adopters of the GEIA found out there was a serious flaw in AC's software that meant a significant percentage of the funds they invested in their GEIAs was not being invested in loans, despite there being in excess of £1M of eligible loans available, as a result they lost out on interest they could/should have earned. Similarly due to a flaw in AC's software investors in C** are loosing out on interest they could be earning on interest payments for which AC have received the funds but are unable to distribute.
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Post by ianb on Dec 11, 2014 19:13:07 GMT
I also add to the well done Neil sentiment for starting this thread. AC is the number one p2p platform for me, the only one I've found to be a true investment which will produce great and reliable (as opposed to being interrupted by defaults) returns. Its the main vehicle for paying for my mother care home bill. Software works great for me now, love checking each day to see what bits and bobs I've managed to pick up.
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Post by reeknralf on Dec 11, 2014 19:14:28 GMT
Well done Neil for starting this thread. A lot of comments made on this forum have been over-the-top. I wonder sometimes whether quite a lot of comments come from lenders with too much time on their hands. This .....in spades
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Post by agent69 on Dec 11, 2014 19:30:51 GMT
Well done Neil for starting this thread. A lot of comments made on this forum have been over-the-top. I wonder sometimes whether quite a lot of comments come from lenders with too much time on their hands. This .....in spades Add +1 to the AC support thread. They're not perfect, but I'll take them over FC any time.
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 11, 2014 20:27:15 GMT
andrewholgate's statement 'Again, judge us on losses. You have yet to lose a single penny with AC.' Though strictly correct in terms of capital losses is somewhat disingenuous. As early adopters of the GEIA found out there was a serious flaw in AC's software that meant a significant percentage of the funds they invested in their GEIAs was not being invested in loans, despite there being in excess of £1M of eligible loans available, as a result they lost out on interest they could/should have earned. Similarly due to a flaw in AC's software investors in CWE are loosing out on interest they could be earning on interest payments for which AC have received the funds but are unable to distribute. Sorry, this seems pretty disingenuous to me. Investors havent 'lost' any money in these circumstances they just havent earnt as much as they could, same way as if money is unlent due to no investment opportunities being avaliable or is awaiting drawdown as under the old system investors have 'lost' the interest they could have earnt in the bank. While it is disappointing that these issues have occurred I think that is an entirely seperate issue to the point andrewholgate is trying to make.
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Post by bugs4me on Dec 11, 2014 21:15:38 GMT
I think the number of 'likes' on Neil's original post speaks for many investors/lenders round here. At least AC continue to communicate - maybe not always in the time frame we would like but nonetheless they don't 'go to ground' like many P2P platforms do.
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Post by acorn on Dec 11, 2014 23:02:40 GMT
I have learnt a good deal about how different types of loans work and what the on-going processes may be if they aren't settled on time.
Yes, I initially clenched my teeth (and more!), eventually losing my nerve, as the bridges seemed to go pear-shaped but as the on-going processes/possibilities were explained and my nerves settled I bought back in, albeit to a lesser extent.
I was uncomfortable with some of the changes at first but have found that they do actually make sense in practice.
I do get anxious if updates don't always happen when stated though this is because I am happier, as an inexperienced player, if I know what is actually happening when things don't go according to plan.
This kind of "real world" learning curve and empowerment, the returns it offers and the accessibility and responsiveness of Assetz folk is both rare and refreshing. The fact that they are still accessible after some of the personal remarks that have been made confirms their determination to bring about real positive change in the way financial markets work.
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Post by andrewholgate on Dec 12, 2014 9:47:15 GMT
andrewholgate's statement 'Again, judge us on losses. You have yet to lose a single penny with AC.' Though strictly correct in terms of capital losses is somewhat disingenuous. As early adopters of the GEIA found out there was a serious flaw in AC's software that meant a significant percentage of the funds they invested in their GEIAs was not being invested in loans, despite there being in excess of £1M of eligible loans available, as a result they lost out on interest they could/should have earned. Similarly due to a flaw in AC's software investors in CWE are loosing out on interest they could be earning on interest payments for which AC have received the funds but are unable to distribute. Has anyone suffered a loss on the capital they have invested?
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Post by gnasher on Dec 12, 2014 10:02:48 GMT
It is a fact that any forum associated with some kind of product or service tends to have for more negative comments than positive, even if the majority of interested parties are very happy with what ever the product is. This is because people are far more motivated to complain than to compliment.
I am certainly very happy with AC, so very happy to add my support to this thread. No doubt in retrospect they would do things differently, but that is the norm for any change. What I find impressive about AC is the amount of change that they have introduced in the last 12 months. OK some things like shadow and pre-bids they have reversed out of, but this seems to be a company that is trying hard to differentiate themselves from their competitors and to be different. That comes at a price, but should pay dividends in the end. Big difference to say TC who seem to be bogged down in an IT quagmire and have gone nowhere in the same 12 months.
They have done a fantastic job of communicating with us via this forum, that improves my confidence no end. Sadly they may have overdone it and encouraged the tsunami of negative nitpicking comments that has swamped it recently. On the other hand I do appreciate the efforts of fellow lenders who keep an eye on the detail and raise issues. I guess there will never be a perfect balance.
AC has been and remains my favourite p2x site. (RS would be up there too if they would sort out that horrible website)
I guess we just need a better flow of loans now to bring in new money.
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Post by jevans4949 on Dec 12, 2014 10:15:56 GMT
Well ...
The (few) poorly-performing loans have been a bit of a disappointment, but these things happen, and AC are doing their best and I'm optimistic that we will recover most of what we put in.
Had I been in Chris's shoes I might have made different choices about the new data/business model and user interface, however it does work, and I'm sure that all the problems can be ironed out before too long. When I worked in mainframe IT, we would have taken years to implement something this big.
It would be nice to have some more new loans to put my spare cash in.
But yes, I'm very positive about the future of AC.
So Merry Christmas to all at AC Towers.
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Post by sl75 on Dec 12, 2014 11:14:35 GMT
Has anyone suffered a loss on the capital they have invested? If the sum of all the capital repayments does not equal the original capital investment for a loan, does that represent a loss, or a "display issue"? ... and how can we as end users tell the difference? The back end system with automatic processing of targets seems to me an excellent innovation - I can set up targets in advance and just leave the system to get on with it. I'm the kind of person who likes to double-check it is "doing the right thing" from time to time, and so far I've not had the time to do a sufficiently deep analysis to reconcile everything. I must also get round to checking how a family member who signed up to Assetz only after the change is getting on with it. I expect they will be able to get a much clearer overview of it all, without the legacy issues confusing the issue.
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Post by Neil on Dec 12, 2014 12:11:58 GMT
I think the number of 'likes' on Neil's original post speaks for many investors/lenders round here Either that or 22 people like the fact I have a cold! Seriously though, I didn't anticipate such an outpouring of positive replies. As gnasher has said, forums and online reviews can sometimes be a bit lopsided and often I myself can be guilty of lurking in shadows even though I have good things to say about products and services. With many of us expecting an influx of new P2P customers in the coming months/years I think it's all the more important that a balanced view is presented. I don't want anyone to be getting the impression that I'm an AC shill or such, if I'd had a negative experience then I'd have mentioned it. As koba has mentioned, constructive criticism can be extremely helpful and can drive companies (not just AC) onto greater things. If only all companies were as accommodating though. (Reminds me of the time I had to pay for an independent test when complaining to a high street clothes shop. They simply would not interact with me in a reasonable manner and in the end they lost more money than if they had dealt with my problem straight away. I also doubt they've done anything to stop the same thing happening again). Thanks to everyone who has commented and long may the positivity continue. Has anyone else got a warm fuzzy feeling inside or is that just my cold?
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Post by ramblin rose on Dec 12, 2014 12:33:19 GMT
Has anyone else got a warm fuzzy feeling inside or is that just my cold? I do like things about AC, despite me also believing they have problems, and posting to that effect when they arise. It's great to read an outpouring of positivity for a change, and you've proved that it's generally worth sticking your neck out in most walks of life and going against the crowd - as you've just discovered for yourself, you are generally not alone. I haven't felt I wanted to join this particular tide of positivity though, because at the moment I have issues with AC. An email sent to a senior member of the team detailing why they haven't received a significant sum of my mother's money now being managed by me has been completely ignored and gone unacknowledged for 10 days now. So, I'm miffed, and not feeling positive towards them. They are completely within their rights to not consider it either an important amount of money (several tens of thousands, for the record) and to consider my concerns not that important. Seems a shame though, and is symptomatic of why those who also aren't feeling positive aren't - a customer lost due to bad feeling is a customer generally lost forever and it's unnecessary. I'm not pulling out what I have in AC because I'm happy with those investments, but I'm not adding more at the moment. And I'm not adding my mum as a new lender.
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Post by marek63 on Dec 12, 2014 13:42:58 GMT
Please call them. I have always had excellent service and have many tens of thousands invested.Emails get lost , deleted or spammed.
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Post by ramblin rose on Dec 12, 2014 14:21:52 GMT
Please call them. I have always had excellent service and have many tens of thousands invested.Emails get lost , deleted or spammed. That's a fair point, which hadn't occured to me because none of my previous emails have ever got lost. My experience has been that they are either responded to efficiently (and even though I don't always necessarily like the answer, I'm happy with that) or they get ignored until such time as I chase. So, whilst you have always had excellent service, I haven't. In this case, I'll give it a day or two longer because it went to a senior person who might just be extremely busy, and then I'll chase. Edit: Well, I take it all back. Whilst I've been away having my annual bath I have received an apologetic email explaining that my email has been found in a spam folder, searched for as a result of my earlier post. Which I hasten to add was not made in order to goad a response, but to point out that there are reasons we aren't all happy with things. Your reasonableness, marek63 was justified
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