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Post by mogzi on Dec 14, 2014 13:57:38 GMT
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Post by sqh on Dec 14, 2014 15:30:53 GMT
Bizarre, alarmist newspaper headlines. That is a compounded annual increase of just 3%. The article should read " Very modest energy price rises predicted by 2030 ", but that won't sell the paper.
Actually, I think they have under predicted the cost of government subsidy, because the Feed-in-tariff is locked in for 20 years and linked to RPI. RPI is currently only 2.3%, but the Feed-in-tariff is locked in at very high Kw/h levels. I have solar panels and receive 15.44p + (50% export tariff of 4.64p per Kw) from day one. That is higher than the commercial price of electricity on day one. Even the domestic retail cost of electricity is less than the Feed-in-Tariff. Adding RPI each year just amplifies the difference.
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Post by shimself on Dec 14, 2014 23:15:39 GMT
I'm in France, same sort of arrangement, I'm on a total of 0€60c about 45p a unit (early adopter)
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Post by adrianc on Dec 15, 2014 8:02:24 GMT
Apart from it being the Daily Wail, so the usual tenuous grasp on reality, who - exactly - will be paying towards Gov't subsidies if not the taxpayer? Aren't taxpayers where the Gov't always gets all its income from anyway?
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Post by yorkshireman on Dec 15, 2014 12:46:39 GMT
Of course it’s the taxpayer who pays and we’re being well and truly shafted by subsidising an unreliable form of energy generation which currently (no pun intended) produces 4.2% of our energy (The Independent 27 March 2014)
As usual it’s Joe Public who pays for madcap liberal dogma.
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Post by Steerpike on Dec 15, 2014 17:44:00 GMT
Of course it’s the taxpayer who pays and we’re being well and truly shafted by subsidising an unreliable form of energy generation which currently (no pun intended) produces 4.2% of our energy (The Independent 27 March 2014) As usual it’s Joe Public who pays for madcap liberal dogma. Currently 6% metered + 3% unmetered, so perhaps we have moved on since March. www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
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Post by merlin on Dec 15, 2014 17:56:16 GMT
Isn't it funny, it does not matter what source of energy generation is used, one body of opinion will be for it and another against it. However if the lights suddenly go out nobody much cares where it comes from, provided it comes back on.
I personally have no great love of any method of electricity generation. I hate windmills because they have ruined a lovely view of lovely rolling hills at the back of my property and are hopelessly inefficient. I don't much like burning stuff like coal because it is very dirty and polluting. Nuclear, well wait until another one goes bang like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Japan, only this time in the UK. Gas? Well is there enough of it, fracking and all, to get us through until fusion becomes a reality?
I will now go back to contemplating my navel or something.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 16, 2014 8:37:45 GMT
Isn't it funny, it does not matter what source of energy generation is used, one body of opinion will be for it and another against it. However if the lights suddenly go out nobody much cares where it comes from, provided it comes back on. TBH, sometimes I think some people either massively overplay their antipathy-on-principle to "green" issues generally, or they really are utter sociopaths... Indeed. We need electricity. We need more electricity than ever before. We need it now. It doesn't grow on trees. It's got to come from somewhere. So renewable energy isn't 90% of generation 90% of the time... <shrug> Diversification's a good thing, isn't it? At the end of the day, I'd FAR rather see (imho) sleek, elegant windmills breaking up the monotony of the flatlands of East Angular than Sizewell looming over the Suffolk coast.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 16, 2014 19:49:08 GMT
I really welcome the tone of these last two posts. Diversified sources is clearly the best way to go, nothing to get aggrivated about.
We elected some politicians, they set some generation goals, some civil servants guessed the appropriate amount of subsidies. In a 20 year period, the price of oil can be expected to go up and down a lot. New types of generation needed tapering subsidies to get started. The subsidy on that new nuclear power station looks like a big mortgage on the future. In the long run...well, these contracts are signed so I hope they guessed well.
Getting het up about about one aspect of this, be it wind turbines, fracking, nuclear, hamster on a flywheel, is just the noise of people talking at other people who agree with them. Which is also the relationship between the Daily Mail and its readers. And the Green Party and their protestors.
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Post by Steerpike on Dec 16, 2014 20:06:32 GMT
I am concerned about Germany and dependence on Russian oil, I am more concerned about France and dependence on nuclear, particularly as many of the power stations are within a few miles of dear old blighty.
I am glad that we employ a broad range of methods of enery generation, I wish that we used less coal and gas and more hydro and tidal, and I wish that we insulated our homes properly.
I enjoy browsing the Daily Mail, but it is a bit silly and shallow much of the time, and I am interested in the Green perspective and support some of the ideas.
I pay extra to use electricity from 100% "renewable" sources, but I drive a car.
My experience is that generally folk don't care much, they don't switch off lights or turn down the heating at work when they could, they don't use more fuel efficient cars, it is much more important to sit up high so that they can look down on others even if it does produce more emissions.
We need leadership from the government because collectively we are irresponsible.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 16, 2014 21:57:42 GMT
...hamster on a flywheel.. what's the FIT rate for that ? Am i missing an investment opportunity ?
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 16, 2014 23:21:04 GMT
Do you not have them? I have several in a micro generating array. The inputs are hamster food and water, and the only other maintenance is removing the dead ones when they are exhausted. Yes, you guardian readers will say it is cruel but it is all part of the mix of diversified generation. We mildly dislike all the options but these little fellas are too cute to need subsidising. In the end, its hamsters, or a wind turbine on Big Ben.
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Post by oldnick on Dec 17, 2014 6:08:18 GMT
Do you not have them? I have several in a micro generating array. The inputs are hamster food and water, and the only other maintenance is removing the dead ones when they are exhausted. Yes, you guardian readers will say it is cruel but it is all part of the mix of diversified generation. We mildly dislike all the options but these little fellas are too cute to need subsidising. In the end, its hamsters, or a wind turbine on Big Ben. I'm inviting investment in a scheme that will please everyone. Each little critter is allowed to run around out of doors with a miniature wind turbine strapped on and a rechargeable battery. At night they 'dock' and discharge into the National Grid - simples!
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Post by shimself on Dec 17, 2014 10:03:38 GMT
My hamsters have a use for the Daily Mail ....
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Post by mogzi on Dec 17, 2014 10:24:03 GMT
I love this forum. I knew that article would provoke some thoughts but didn't expect the humour that has appeared! Refreshingly nice
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