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Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2021 17:12:10 GMT
and one policeman hammered to death with a fire extinguisher. Who, it turns out, was a Trump supporter. The extinguisher?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 17:26:00 GMT
and one policeman hammered to death with a fire extinguisher. Who, it turns out, was a Trump supporter. Probably not that relevant when police see a fellow officer being beaten up or indeed anyone being beaten up. He was on duty from what I can read.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 8, 2021 17:27:04 GMT
I suspect we are not looking at this as Americans, police/military used to carrying guns and vastly outnumbered and with the nation's senior poiticians depending on them to survive and failing to organise backup (so much live on this at the moment it seems that Ump's team refused to answer the phone to allow the national guard to join in for 30 minutes). They were defending not just the politicians but also their most sacred buildings (literally people mashing down the doors to their parliament building). I'm amazed there were not 150 dead people laid out there. Sargeant at arms (2 off) now sacked or resigned and one policeman hammered to death with a fire extinguisher. What he said.
In a country where the carrying of firearms is considered relatively normal, and faced with a constituency (Trump supporters) where packing a piece is almost a tribal entry condition, and facing a mob that had forced their way into the centre of government, containing the assembled totality of the federal govt. excluding only the very highest executive, how can anyone even remotely be thinking that the actions taken by the security / police etc. were OTT because one discharged their gun resulting in death, and some let of whizz bangs ? In an American context, and given how outnumbered they seemed to be initially, I'd say they were remarkably restrained.
Lets just say the Houses of Parliament were stormed while the full Lords and Commons were assembled, by a mob you could reasonably expect to contain a number of armed indidviudals, what do we think the response ought to be ? [leaving aside that it might have been left to BlackRod to wave his stick and do a silly dance to distract the hordes while reinforcements arrived]
[and yes, in the event very few were ACTUALLY 'packing a piece' but that is not the point. And the two active pipe bombs that were found shouldn't be ignored].
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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2021 17:33:26 GMT
Is anybody thinking that the response of the police was OTT? Certainly not me. If anything quite the reverse. I mean I think the lack of preparation, the refusal to release the National Guard, the lack of arrests, the "selfie-taking", and the obvious double standards when compared with, say, BLM protests are outrageous. And they need to be investigated by some kind of impartial commission.
But the actions of the police / Secret Service that actually did their jobs were, imho, commendable.
It was a very, very sad day in the history of the United States. And Trump and his enablers like McConnell, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz etc etc etc should hang their heads in shame.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 8, 2021 17:40:28 GMT
Is anybody thinking that the response of the police was OTT?
There have been a number of posts, none from you, that have suggested that it was a less serious incident than others might think, and e.g. that use of stun grenades was excessive. Given the alternatives, for the US I'd say it was pretty restrained.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 8, 2021 17:42:25 GMT
It was a very, very sad day in the history of the United States. It was. But, as Biden claimed "the blackest day in American history"? That's an insult to the victims of Pearl Harbour and 1911 for a start.
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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2021 17:50:37 GMT
It was a very, very sad day in the history of the United States. It was. But, as Biden claimed "the blackest day in American history"? That's an insult to the victims of Pearl Harbour and 1911 for a start. Not sure what happened in 1911, but one difference between the 6th January and Peal Harbour is that Pearl Harbour wasn't self-inflicted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 18:02:18 GMT
might fall in as one of the worst, self inflicted, moments
but then again the US was not a democratic country until something like 1955 under Jim Crow laws
But perhaps back to the subject
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Post by mrk on Jan 8, 2021 18:13:25 GMT
It was a very, very sad day in the history of the United States. It was. But, as Biden claimed "the blackest day in American history"? That's an insult to the victims of Pearl Harbour and 1911 for a start. Biden actually said "one of the darkest days".
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Post by ceejay on Jan 8, 2021 18:17:06 GMT
Is anybody thinking that the response of the police was OTT? Certainly not me. If anything quite the reverse. I mean I think the lack of preparation, the refusal to release the National Guard, the lack of arrests, the "selfie-taking", and the obvious double standards when compared with, say, BLM protests are outrageous. And they need to be investigated by some kind of impartial commission. But the actions of the police / Secret Service that actually did their jobs were, imho, commendable. It was a very, very sad day in the history of the United States. And Trump and his enablers like McConnell, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz etc etc etc should hang their heads in shame. Agreed with all of that ... although I fear that the idea of an "impartial commission" is literally impossible in the USA where every appointment from dog wardens to the supreme court is a political statement.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 8, 2021 18:19:55 GMT
There’s confusion among hardcore Donald Trump loyalists on social media following the president’s Twitter video in which he committed to an orderly transition of power.
Some claimed that the clip was faked or made under duress, while others said that the outgoing president had let them down.
Pro-Trump social media users suggested that the video posted on Thursday night was created using “deepfake” technology, claiming his head “doesn’t seem to move or match properly with his body,” according to one user on Parler.
You couldn't make it up
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 8, 2021 19:12:36 GMT
.... claiming his head “doesn’t seem to move or match properly with his body,” according to one user on Parler.
did it ever ?
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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2021 20:03:20 GMT
I've heard it suggested that the recording was edited to remove rambling and off message commentary. This makes sense in the context of Trump, but also explains why it comes across as weird (which I think it does).
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 8, 2021 20:25:08 GMT
I've heard it suggested that the recording was edited to remove rambling and off message commentary. This makes sense in the context of Trump, but also explains why it comes across as weird (which I think it does). He didn't want to say it, so it sounds strange (talking through his teeth), hope he keeps to the peaceful transfer of power but I'm not sure it will happen.
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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2021 21:08:07 GMT
"Only the best people", eh, Donald?
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