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Post by 11025 on May 28, 2016 8:29:23 GMT
It now says on the default notice
" Interest will continue to accrue , but will not be credited until sale of security completes"
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Post by ben on May 28, 2016 8:34:12 GMT
It now says on the default notice " Interest will continue to accrue , but will not be credited until sale of security completes" Will it be credited even if asset does not reach sale price as it will probably be quite complicated and could take a year or two. Thats a lot of interest for SS to have to pay out if the asset only gets say 80% of Loan Value
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Post by brokenbiscuits on May 28, 2016 8:35:51 GMT
I may be an old synic but is it a coincidence that SS changed their procedures for a loan in default only a couple of weeks before this loan defaulted? I think you are right to be cynical. Default on a loan does not happen in a day. There will have been discussions and warning signs for sometime now. This is why a large number of all types of insurance policies have a waiting period in them. The key event may happen in policy coverage but it would be very Easy to take out a policy before the event but after the knowledge of the upcoming event.
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Post by 11025 on May 28, 2016 8:47:07 GMT
It now says on the default notice " Interest will continue to accrue , but will not be credited until sale of security completes" It has stated that since yesterday, which either means savingstream are mammothly confident in recovering all capital plus accrued interest, which I don't see how they can be at this stage, or that they need to change that statement. Be interesting to see how this pans out - I like many others on here have been with SS since the very early days and have built up trust over years which seems well founded .
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Post by cooling_dude on May 28, 2016 9:21:06 GMT
I have never actually invested in this loan but did do some basic DD when a thread appeared on this thread asking about PP ( see here). At the time it looked obvious that PP was going to be hard to achieve; The Landscape Officer did not support the application due the character of the proposed building, and there were lots of objections from both the locals and even the parish council. However, what struck me was the correspondence between the applicant and the planners, who was getting increasingly frustrated that his PP application was not progressing (I do seem to remember more communication from the applicant on the PP comments page, but some seemed to have been removed). At the end of the day, the application wasn't " refused" it was simply " withdrawn"Now I have done some more research into the current situation. It seems our borrower has decided to relocate his business to Canada... Sounds lovely... Our borrower only acquired the garden centre last year, hedging his bets that he could get PP. It seems to me he got the hump with the planning process and has washed his hands of the site; simply saying to Lendy, "I don't have the funds, just take the frigging security".
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Post by brianac on May 28, 2016 9:23:33 GMT
It now says on the default notice " Interest will continue to accrue , but will not be credited until sale of security completes" It has stated that since yesterday, which either means savingstream are mammothly confident in recovering all capital plus accrued interest, which I don't see how they can be at this stage, or that they need to change that statement. No, as stated earlier in the thread, this is under the old T&C's, so it seems that Lendy are on the hook for it all regardless of how much they get for the security. HTH Brian
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Post by cooling_dude on May 28, 2016 10:01:33 GMT
Words fail me... at £34,000 I thought this would have only grown on the SM, but it seems investors are still investing in the big red "loan in default" box.2 separate investors invested £6,000.00 and £2,400.00 respectively...
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Post by cooling_dude on May 28, 2016 10:12:21 GMT
Words fail me... at £34,000 I thought this would have only grown on the SM, but it seems investors are still investing in the big red "loan in default" box.2 separate investors invested £6,000.00 and £2,400.00 respectively... Perhaps they have £600,000 and £240,000 already on the platform. But still (taking the hypothetical £600,000 investor who invested £6000), to risk £6000 capital for 3 months (if that's how long the sale takes) just for a £180 return... I guess some just trust SS with their money to a degree they don't actually care about the loans or their status.
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Post by ilmoro on May 28, 2016 10:16:55 GMT
Words fail me... at £34,000 I thought this would have only grown on the SM, but it seems investors are still investing in the big red "loan in default" box.2 separate investors invested £6,000.00 and £2,400.00 respectively... No different to last time with PBL7 IRC, after initial uncertainty while people worked out what was the situation the SM largely carried on as normal. Maybe they have had a definitive reponse from SS on the finer details. As a aside, there was similar albeit smaller defaulted loan on AC, garden centre that couldnt get PP for a development and everybody was quite pessimistic about a recovery, but, once it finally went into recovery, was resolved quite quickly and in full.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 10:18:39 GMT
or maybe they are insiders and they know roughly the price which was offered/discussed for the sale of the property.
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Post by cooling_dude on May 28, 2016 10:40:55 GMT
I wonder if you are more concerned for the people buying these loans or more concerned about the viability of your platform? (FX: Ducks) I'm confident about the decisions that saving stream are making w.r.t. this loan in the same way that I am confident about their ability to monitor all the other loans on the platform. Not just because they are professionals in this area but also because they are closer than me and have better information than I do. The people buying and holding this loan are perhaps doing so because they now know exactly what the future holds for this loan and they also know that SS are holding the risk instead of them. This loan is, effectively, backed by all the other old T&Cs loans for which SS hold security on the platform. In those terms, it is more secure for us, than any of the new T&Cs loans regardless of how good the DD looks on them. I know, it's bizarre but that's the way I see it. I will admit to having no holding in this loan nor recently selling but that's because more than -100 days just looked too wrong to be ok. If I had a considerable amount of money to lend out quickly though, I'd not hesitate to put 1% in this one. I'm not concerned, just can't see the reason behind investors putting their money into what must now be perceived as the riskiest investment on SS. Not only that, if they are do require access to their money quickly, they are unlikely to offload PBL20 in a hurry. I'm not worried about the platform, and I have little doubt that Lendy/SS will recover some or all of the money via the sale of the security eventually; I believe that the garden centre is an operating business, so should be quite appealing to somebody within the industry, but I would imagine that considering it's current situation (in the hands of the administrators) it could be close to the 70% LTV mark...
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Post by earthbound on May 28, 2016 12:22:25 GMT
I've been watching this on the SM since default, i reckon its traded c60k+ since then, and i'm baffled as well, at the moment SS have to get 70%+ c10% (fees, costs etc etc) of the valuation to break even... if it takes 1 year to sell and everyone piling in still hopes to break even (ie inc their interest) then add a further c12%... £1.7m + 22% £375k, i reckon min £2.1m just to break even. Cant see it some how, its on the old t&cs so SS will cover any shortfall in capital to lenders. But do the buyers of this on the SM understand that SS are not obligated to pay any interest unless the sale raises enough capital. Maybe not i fear. And i'm sure my figures may well be conservative. edit.. on a lighter note Defaulted loans sell quicker on here than brand new loans on FS. edit2.. and i would be flabbergasted if they were to use the provision fund to pay any accrued interest.
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Post by Liz on May 28, 2016 12:31:43 GMT
I would rather be holding performing loans, than defaulted loans, just incase the platform fails. In which case old terms and new, go out of the window.
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Post by stokeloans on May 28, 2016 12:33:18 GMT
Up to £50k now
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Post by borofan on May 28, 2016 13:23:26 GMT
A good test for SS this. I'm confident it will handled well. Let's face it, if one decent size default puts the whole platform in danger it doesn't say much about the platform..
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