Liz
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Post by Liz on Feb 28, 2017 20:24:45 GMT
That is going to have cost SS a fair penny when you add it all up, but not worry there auditors are happy so it is all good. Don't feel sorry for them, they will make it all back and more with the reduced rates being paid.
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jonah
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Post by jonah on Feb 28, 2017 20:41:39 GMT
The "Default Loans" page now seems to be tying itself in knots (in my browser anyway) trying to find something to display Grrr @ infinite speed page loading... breaks stuff.
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Post by sirius on Feb 28, 2017 21:57:21 GMT
Hi
Am I missing something here?
Bought for £1.47m + Loan £1.7m = 3.17m. Sold for £1.3m.
Can someone explain what happened to the loan money?
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 28, 2017 22:07:56 GMT
Hi Am I missing something here? Bought for £1.47m + Loan £1.7m = 3.17m. Sold for £1.3m. Can someone explain what happened to the loan money? The loan was for the purchase of the garden centre £1.47m + Interest + Fees which roughly equaled the total loan The borrower required £1.47m to purchase of the garden centre, and that is likely exactly what SS sent the borrower
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Post by sg on Feb 28, 2017 22:16:27 GMT
Given that the actual value at the time of the loan was £1.47m and the actual value now is £1.3m where on earth did the valuation of £2.4m come from? What recourse would SS have to the valuer? And most importantly what does this say about all the other valuations that we rely on so heavily?
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 28, 2017 22:24:40 GMT
Given that the actual value at the time of the loan was £1.47m and the actual value now is £1.3m where on earth did the valuation of £2.4m come from? What recourse would SS have to the valuer? And most importantly what does this say about all the other valuations that we rely on so heavily? 2 VRs and they are murky because I believe (been a long time since I have read them) they attempt to find a value for the business as well as the actual security. For this reason, I don't think SS would have a case going for the VRs necks There are several valuations on SS that are, shell we say, suspect. I believe we should be told what the indicated purchase price is when the loan is for this purpose, but SS are reluctant; us investors simply can't be trusted with this sort of information (along with contract, DFL surveys etc)
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Post by ben on Feb 28, 2017 22:34:36 GMT
Given that the actual value at the time of the loan was £1.47m and the actual value now is £1.3m where on earth did the valuation of £2.4m come from? What recourse would SS have to the valuer? And most importantly what does this say about all the other valuations that we rely on so heavily? 2 VRs and they are murky because I believe (been a long time since I have read them) they attempt to find a value for the business as well as the actual security. For this reason, I don't think SS would have a case going for the VRs necks There are several valuations on SS that are, shell we say, suspect. I believe we should be told what the indicated purchase price is when the loan is for this purpose, but SS are reluctant; us investors simply can't be trusted with this sort of information (along with contract, DFL surveys etc) It is unlikely they will publish the actual purchase price as for a fair few of the loans the assets have been purchased for the amount of the loan not the valuation, I usally never invest in them as it is us taking the risk not the borrorower.
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Post by sg on Feb 28, 2017 22:37:42 GMT
That's the problem I have with p2p in general. We need to do our own DD (which in my case I have limited ability, but that's ok because I'm aware of the risk and can factor that in) but we don't get all the information to do it. And what is worse we don't get enough information to know there's more needed, it's the unknown unknowns that will get us!
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Post by am on Feb 28, 2017 23:01:19 GMT
Given that the actual value at the time of the loan was £1.47m and the actual value now is £1.3m where on earth did the valuation of £2.4m come from? What recourse would SS have to the valuer? And most importantly what does this say about all the other valuations that we rely on so heavily? I bought into this loan on the SM when I started at SS (and sold out in March 2016). It seemed a decent enough proposition at the time, and glancing at the VRs with a more experienced eye there's still nothing that jumps out as a red light. (Agricultural land at £12k per acre seems generous, but equestrian land commands even higher prices. On the other hand writing down the agricultural land only has a small effect on the valuation.) The biggest part of the security was the garden centre, which was valued at more than the residential property and agricultural land put together. The value of the garden centre depends on its profitability, so the value depended on the borrower running it well. In hindsight problems include the borrower not following his stated intention to refinance the residential property onto a BTL and the garden centre onto a commercial mortgage. (Could Lendy have chivied him about this?) If he had done this the bridging loan would have been repaid. The underlying problem may have been that the borrower was focused on the big prize of planning permission for an "eco-village" and the profits arising from planning uplift, and took his eye of the ball of maintaining the viable business necessary for the refinance. If we are to believe what's been said here he then walked away when the planning upgrade was rejected, which won't have helped the value of the security. I hope that Lendy can recover some of their losses from a personal guarantee. In hindsight the difference in the purchase price and the valuation, and the approximately 100% LTC, should have rung alarm bells. But the purchase price wasn't (as far as I recall and know) available to us at the time - I might have misinterpreted the particulars as giving a purchase price in line with the valuation, and thus misestimated the LTC.
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Post by am on Feb 28, 2017 23:09:27 GMT
That's the problem I have with p2p in general. We need to do our own DD (which in my case I have limited ability, but that's ok because I'm aware of the risk and can factor that in) but we don't get all the information to do it. And what is worse we don't get enough information to know there's more needed, it's the unknown unknowns that will get us! Every now and again I wonder whether I should pull out of SS on the grounds that the necessary DD is too time consuming - if I wasn't treating DD as a hobby rather than taking account of the value of my time SS wouldn't be financially worthwhile at my scale. Even so, perhaps I would be better off spending my time on due diligence of AC's offers. (I've more or less stopped investing in SME loans at FC because the number of loans where the particulars make a decent investment case is too low for it to be worth my while searching for them.)
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Post by bababill on Mar 1, 2017 7:53:26 GMT
Agreed with your overall sentiments am. However my problem with AC was the allocations were too tiny. I tried a new policy of bidding on all AC loans above a certain percentage and then doing DD after the fact.
This didn't work either.
Have things changed?
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Post by bababill on Mar 1, 2017 8:00:15 GMT
dualinvestor /quote]The situation is a great deal murkier thsn suggested by the email. "it was sold for £1.3m" "Lendy Ltd advanced £1,700,000. The Administrtors say Lendy Ltd was owed £2.841million at 26 May 2016. . [/quote] 2.8 million less 1.3 million equals a shortfall of 1.5 million? Plus other accrued expenses. Is that correct? So the loss to SS is potentially very significant ? I want my platforms to be profitable making enterprises.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 1, 2017 8:25:36 GMT
There seems to be some formatting problems in replying to your post bababill so to try and avoid further confusion Few people outside of Lendy Ltd, possibly the debtor and possibly the Administrators, know how the £2.841 million is made up, it is possible to make guesses or it might not be correct but it is a matter of public record. I don't know what "loss" has occurred to the platform, it took them c.2 weeks to decide they would make up the loss to platform lenders from the PF, but have been very vague as to what the amount is or how it has been made up. The main point of my post was to juxtapose to someone else's post my opinion that the email in fact contained obfuscation rather than disclosing all pertinent information clearly.
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Post by dawn on Mar 1, 2017 10:30:00 GMT
Interest for PBL020 has now been paid - it looks to me to be full interest for the 9 months it was defaulted - but maybe some-one else can confirm that. I had £100 left in the loan (repaid yesterday) and have received £9.11 interest this morning....
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Post by mikeh on Mar 1, 2017 10:35:03 GMT
Interest for PBL020 has now been paid - it looks to me to be full interest for the 9 months it was defaulted - but maybe some-one else can confirm that. I had £100 left in the loan (repaid yesterday) and have received £9.11 interest this morning.... Yep I got 28p on my fiver for just under 6 months. Sounds about right to me.
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