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Post by am on Mar 1, 2017 10:37:29 GMT
Agreed with your overall sentiments am. However my problem with AC was the allocations were too tiny. I tried a new policy of bidding on all AC loans above a certain percentage and then doing DD after the fact. This didn't work either. Have things changed? At my scale the shrapnelator works well enough if the allocations are too small. My problem is that the shrapnelator means the DD isn't time critical, and instead of doing it before the loan goes live I never get round to doing it and setting an investment target. Hence my suggestion that I might be better off not spending my time on DD at SS. AC now has (IMO) an adequate dealflow. What I'm not so sure about is the risk/reward ratio. It's partly an artefact of greater transparency, but I have the impression that AC has a higher rate of problematical loans that it should.
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Post by am on Mar 1, 2017 10:40:30 GMT
dualinvestor 2.8 million less 1.3 million equals a shortfall of 1.5 million? Plus other accrued expenses. Is that correct? So the loss to SS is potentially very significant ? I want my platforms to be profitable making enterprises. You can add Lendy's equity investment to the loss, but this may have been written off earlier.
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Post by mikeh on Mar 1, 2017 10:40:35 GMT
I had £0.01 and got £0.00 interest. I hate leaving around idle cash!
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Post by freddy on Mar 1, 2017 11:05:14 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules.
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Post by vmail on Mar 1, 2017 11:05:57 GMT
Not full interest if you was trying to sell it.
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Post by SteveT on Mar 1, 2017 11:19:00 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules. The email from SS said only that the capital shortfall was made up from the PF. The interest, I suspect, came from Lendy's other resources (since it was an old T&Cs loan)
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Post by r1200gs on Mar 1, 2017 11:19:38 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules. How do people feel about capital and interest paid to those who invested in a clearly defaulted loan, given that I too would like to see the provision fund protect those who invested in good faith and get struck by a bolt from the blue?
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Post by dawn on Mar 1, 2017 11:20:28 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules. I agree with you. I was invested well before the default and had gradually reduced my holding before it defaulted, but was unable to shift the last £100 after the default. I was hoping for full return of capital, but did not expect to get any interest unless the property had sold for more than the value of the loan (which it clearly didn't). As it sold for less then the PF should have covered the shortfall in capital only (IMO) - maybe being under the old T&C's is why we had interest as well. I hope this does not set a precedent for future defaults, although I am clearly happy to have received the interest on this occasion. I don't think this is sustainable in the future and sends the wrong message about the risk in investing in these loans. I hope SavingStream will clarify what will happen in the future - ie interest should only be paid if there is excess left after the sale of the property (IMO).
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Post by r1200gs on Mar 1, 2017 11:22:13 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules. I agree with you. I was invested well before the default and had gradually reduced my holding before it defaulted, but was unable to shift the last £100 after the default. I was hoping for full return of capital, but did not expect to get any interest unless the property had sold for more than the value of the loan (which it clearly didn't). As it sold for less then the PF should have covered the shortfall in capital only (IMO) - maybe being under the old T&C's is why we had interest as well. I hope this does not set a precedent for future defaults, although I am clearly happy to have received the interest on this occasion. I don't think this is sustainable in the future and sends the wrong message about the risk in investing in these loans. I hope SavingStream will clarify what will happen in the future - ie interest should only be paid if there is excess left after the sale of the property (IMO). They already do. Check the available loans page. It's made quite clear now.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2017 11:22:41 GMT
Very happy for investors who recieved all their money including interest. Particularly happy for those who had invested prior to default. nothing personal to those who recieved interest for the default period ( good luck to you) but I do personally object to the PF being utilised to cover interest on a defaulted loan. Interest up to day of default and return of all capital would be enough for me in those circumstances. The PF should be protected and grown to cover capital. More loans defaulted today. More to come under the new rules. How do people feel about capital and interest paid to those who invested in a clearly defaulted loan? As sexy Steve said, it is likely SS dipped into their own pockets for the interest Personally, I feel there shouldn't be a PF. Masks the risks involved, and now the shortfall has been covered in full it only makes the situation worse. IMHO, everyone should invest with the PF firmly at the back of their mind.
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Post by dawn on Mar 1, 2017 11:31:54 GMT
I agree with you. I was invested well before the default and had gradually reduced my holding before it defaulted, but was unable to shift the last £100 after the default. I was hoping for full return of capital, but did not expect to get any interest unless the property had sold for more than the value of the loan (which it clearly didn't). As it sold for less then the PF should have covered the shortfall in capital only (IMO) - maybe being under the old T&C's is why we had interest as well. I hope this does not set a precedent for future defaults, although I am clearly happy to have received the interest on this occasion. I don't think this is sustainable in the future and sends the wrong message about the risk in investing in these loans. I hope SavingStream will clarify what will happen in the future - ie interest should only be paid if there is excess left after the sale of the property (IMO). They already do. Check the available loans page. It's made quite clear now. I know that it says that interest is only payable if enough capital is received when you click on the ? next to IA in the new column - what I meant was for this to be clearly stated in the default policy which they sent out last month. Don't get me wrong I think the new column is an improvement and, hopefully, will help.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 1, 2017 11:32:48 GMT
If Lendy Ltd have replenished the PF, as it appears they have from the claim on the web-site that it is still 2% of the loan book, they have paid the whole shortfall, interest and capital.
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Post by ben on Mar 1, 2017 11:38:35 GMT
Glad to see that this one has finally been finshed, although I would not call it the great success that SS seem to be selling it at.
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Post by lendinglawyer on Mar 1, 2017 11:45:06 GMT
I think it has been proven that some of the more poorly informed investors around (many were in this boat when they started out, myself to an extent for sure!) will buy into any loan unless and until it is formally defaulted by SS. Look at the 3 loans which have been defaulted today under the new policy - yesterday they sold out very quickly when the PBL 20 capital repayments credited, whereas now I suspect they will not, in some cases purely because the selling loan parts are listed in a separate section of the site... Perhaps the new interest indicators will help, but in the end I suspect not and at least some people will continue to pile into loans on the verge of default. In my opinion it would be more open and transparent of SS to divide its SM into 3 sections: "positive days", "negative days but not yet defaulted" and "defaulted". They don't necessarily need to be in separate tabs, but perhaps just listed in that order on the SM page.
That said, at some point investors do have to take responsibility for their own decisions, and there is certainly sufficient information out there for those who read it to understand the status of each loan (if not all of the underlying risks, as has been discussed a lot on this forum, but I see that as a separate point).
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Post by r1200gs on Mar 1, 2017 11:51:02 GMT
How do people feel about capital and interest paid to those who invested in a clearly defaulted loan? As sexy Steve said, it is likely SS dipped into their own pockets for the interest Personally, I feel there shouldn't be a PF. Masks the risks involved, and now the shortfall has been covered in full it only makes the situation worse. IMHO, everyone should invest with the PF firmly at the back of their mind. I tend to agree with you. I still don't think those who invested in this loan when it was clearly defaulted should have had their losses made up by SS. If there is to be a PF then it should not be there to bail out fools, including the chap who took £4070 just a few days back.
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