Greenwood2
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Post by Greenwood2 on May 23, 2021 9:41:45 GMT
Looking at my loan book it looks like it was £10 chunks (or parts of for loans gained via the secondary market) until I stopped re-investing in November. Having turned it back on in April (after withdrawing to a level I felt happier with) the chunks look to be £5. I don't know at what point in that period they made the change (although I wonder if it was part of the other "upgrades"). If they haven't changed it then your loanbook should tell you exactly the amount you lent in the "Amount invested" column of your loanbook. The date when it was lent out should be there among may other parameters too. The thing is I checked Mrs Aju's loanbook, she has many more recent new loans than me but as i say still none more recent than Mar 2020 she has the following exact amount lends whilst she had relends on. £4 Mar 2020 Closed Now £5 Aug 2019 Closed Now £7 Jan 2018 Still active £8 Jan 2018 Still active £8 Jul 2018 Closed Now All of those were just lucky to be exact values considering the spreads around them at the time of competing for them i guess but in our case they were definitely during the £10 min era. That said I'm not sure that Zopa cuts these loans up in this way but I'm happy to be wrong. Just a thought though there were always the chance that someone would get a loan <£10 if that was what was left to finish a specific borrowers fulfilment. I found this item by searching on google for "diver" but i struggled to find anything about 5% or 10%. Of course it used to be there when i was lending and i knew how to play it as described elsewhere. (lend 1999 not 1000) From the latest Zopa weekly update: What we mean by matching times Although it may vary for individual investors, this is an estimate of the average amount of time it's currently taking to match investor funds to loans. Every time you invest with us we parcel your money into 0.5% chunks and match them to different borrowers to spread your risk.
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aju
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Post by aju on May 23, 2021 10:09:11 GMT
<snipped> see previous entry for long message From the latest Zopa weekly update: What we mean by matching times Although it may vary for individual investors, this is an estimate of the average amount of time it's currently taking to match investor funds to loans. Every time you invest with us we parcel your money into 0.5% chunks and match them to different borrowers to spread your risk. Thanks for that steer, I'm sure i read email a day or so ago but clearly missed the relevant bit (it's not highlighted in the email!). My excuse is that they, the emails, are not usually that useful for someone who is not actively lending like us. So is the minimum lend now £5 or if i lend £10 will i get 2 loans at £5. (I'm almost tempted to lend £10 to see what happens ). In the past one could always make sure to get £10 loans by lending @ £1990 chunks that's almost 0.5% anyway but the loans were higher it seems they are now suggesting £5 loans. My experience with this 1990 rule was that we got almost 5000 loans between us. At the time i thought is was a good strategy that i used for our 4 accounts. (Std/ISA * 2). Thing is though i did a lot of this across both our accounts at the same time I realised too late that i should have done it over a period of time to limit effective larger loan sizes. In essence we actually ended up with a large number of the same loans most of the time. (You live and learn in this game and it was a long time ago now.) I guess for us its all water under the bridge now. Edit: I couldn't resist so i just put £10 onto the Core market and see what happens only takes 60 odd days at the moment . The lending system is somewhat grabby, i might have expected it to ask if i was sure when i put the £10 on but it just went straight through!.
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Post by trium on May 23, 2021 12:12:28 GMT
Lending stopped altogether for approx 6 weeks from 31 Dec 2020 to (in my case) 10 Feb 2021 while they messed with the new site. When it restarted it was in 5 pound chunks. I recall seeing something - probably an update - where they mentioned this. They also acknowledged that the move would not shorten queues overall but short-term it would mean more lenders seeing some action in the current conditions.
Those with a (new style) loan book actually containing very recent loans from 10 Feb and after may notice that there are some entries in the "Transaction price" and "Transaction date" fields. These are secondhand loans (what used to be termed Rapid Return). Where there is no entry the loan will be a new 5-pound loan and that will show in the "Amount invested" column, otherwise it is a RR loan. If the original loan part had 8 pounds outstanding one investor will pick up a 5 pound loan part and another will pick up the other 3 pounds. The evidence that the split is done like this rather than 50/50 lies in the number of full 5- pound loans one received where the borrower has had the loan for a year or more and therefore must have repaid some of the original.
As for matching times, yes the last update indicates 2 months wait, though that is not my experience (it used to be!). Three times this month I've topped up 100 pounds of new money in Plus and on each occasion it has started to trickle out the same or next day, and all gone within a week or less (re-investing turned on too). The update does talk about queuing money from new investors rather than queueing new money from existing investors so I don't know if that distinction is significant.
(sorry .. No pound signs!)
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Post by mfaxford on May 23, 2021 13:27:43 GMT
When I moved some money a couple of weeks ago from my holding account to the queue (Core) some of it went out very quickly (between confirming the move and seeing the summary page), Although I think that was picking up from the secondary market rather than new loans.
It certainly looks like I've picked up some loans in less time than the ~60days they list, although I assume that's just loans that are big enough to get as far back as me in the queue (which the £5 chunks probably helps with). Presumably over time I'll move forward in the queue and I'll pick up more from smaller loans (might need to go and look at my loanbook and have a play in excel at some point and see if that backs my theory up).
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Post by aju on May 23, 2021 13:29:59 GMT
So I lent this money from my holding account and within less than an hour or two i have 2 Old (but new to me ) plus loans @ 11% and 3.2%. I can live with that they are due to end in Jan and Jul next year. sadly can't really see anymore if they have had some troubles as Zopa removed the comment field but the arrears column looks good at the moment. The loans are pickups (previously sold) so they have not proved that much if anything on the £5 loans saga - see triums experience above. The loans data that determines these are not new in my view is as it always been and that is the Loan Start Date is different to the Acquired date. Ok, so the new loans show the transaction data as trium has pointed out but it has a very interesting aspect in that I am wondering if the difference in the Amount invested and the transaction amount - its always higher - is in fact the RR payments received from the seller (Interest mismatch to my benefit). The values are small 1p to 28p but i am guessing this is the case. I can't remember at the moment but i'm certain the old detailed statements used to be useful for seeing the RR benefit values. The other thing that I have now determined is that with Zopa removing old defaults data and in our case some loans that were live the week before the switchover and were missing completely a week later after the switch (I am still on their case about the missing loans) its clear that if i did not have the previous alltime data that we have now lost then A. I would not be able see my full loanbook anymore B. I would not have noticed missing loans C. Would not be able to have correct losses info (older defaults) to compare with Zopa figures for stats. Ok so most people won't even know that some valid loans may have gone missing for them - my old statements reporting tool was able to tell me those loans positions before the switchover and it still can on the old data from any loans up to the switch date - early february. In some cases i could see they had a single payments left that would mean they were probably completed correctly if i am right but 4 of them were not planned to complete and i have no way of knowing why they disappeared or what there state was when they finished. Zopa has said they completed correctly but as yet my request for the evidence of the closing states and their values has not yet materialised. (They have a little while longer of the statutory 8 weeks but i'm convinced they do not know have to present it so i may understand it or worse they have lost the tools to even find it out.) Oops i've ranted on again about the trial and tribulations of being a disillusioned Zopa lender. Bit off topic sorry. Interesting i've mentioned this last thing about lost loans in a few places but no one else seems to have suffered or they are just keeping quiet about it waiting to see what outcomes i might achieve.
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Post by aju on May 23, 2021 13:50:20 GMT
When I moved some money a couple of weeks ago from my holding account to the queue (Core) some of it went out very quickly (between confirming the move and seeing the summary page), Although I think that was picking up from the secondary market rather than new loans. It certainly looks like I've picked up some loans in less time than the ~60days they list, although I assume that's just loans that are big enough to get as far back as me in the queue (which the £5 chunks probably helps with). Presumably over time I'll move forward in the queue and I'll pick up more from smaller loans (might need to go and look at my loanbook and have a play in excel at some point and see if that backs my theory up). Its a real shame that now they have removed the detailed statements one cannot see the lending times just the dates. To clarify I lent from returned money not new money. In the days before the latest setup it used to take considerable time if one had returned funds to holding and turned off lending but i guess they need all the funds they can get.
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Post by Greenwood2 on May 23, 2021 15:43:12 GMT
When I moved some money a couple of weeks ago from my holding account to the queue (Core) some of it went out very quickly (between confirming the move and seeing the summary page), Although I think that was picking up from the secondary market rather than new loans. It certainly looks like I've picked up some loans in less time than the ~60days they list, although I assume that's just loans that are big enough to get as far back as me in the queue (which the £5 chunks probably helps with). Presumably over time I'll move forward in the queue and I'll pick up more from smaller loans (might need to go and look at my loanbook and have a play in excel at some point and see if that backs my theory up). Its a real shame that now they have removed the detailed statements one cannot see the lending times just the dates. To clarify I lent from returned money not new money. In the days before the latest setup it used to take considerable time if one had returned funds to holding and turned off lending but i guess they need all the funds they can get.Well they don't seem to want mine as I have a lot of funds queued. I guess I'm already matched to the available loans, if you haven't been lending for a while it may be easier to get matched.
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Post by mfaxford on May 23, 2021 17:12:06 GMT
Well they don't seem to want mine as I have a lot of funds queued. I guess I'm already matched to the available loans, if you haven't been lending for a while it may be easier to get matched. Looking at my loanbook this is the little I can glean. When I turned on re-investing for one market a couple of months ago I started picking up some new loans at £5 a loan (First one was 7th April so it must have been a few days earlier I turned on re-investing). I didn't pick up any loans from others selling out over the course of a month. In the last couple of weeks after I moved some funds from my holding account into the Core queue I've picked up both new loans (two thirds) and loans from others selling out (one third). What I can't easily tell is whether the re-invested funds are treated any differently in terms of matching from those from the holding account. I wonder if the majority of new loans have come from re-invested funds, with the number of loans acquired from others has come from the funds added from my holding account.
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