keitha
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Post by keitha on Sept 28, 2021 12:06:10 GMT
Ironically we might be better with Bill Bailey at the helm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 15:26:27 GMT
But even Bill Bailly couldn't have gone to the UN and lectured all the delegates about Kermit the frog (search, it is easy being green) so wonderfully.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 28, 2021 17:36:23 GMT
Please let's not get back into imperial measure nonsense, I spent my first few years working having to convert for people. SI is simple
Only Americans weigh themselves in lbs, has it got so desperate that we have to import them to drive lorries (sorry trucks)?
Actually on a nice western world point of view everyone the Brits, the US, Europe are running out of truck drivers. The pay is poor and the conditions are horrible, hence we import drivers into our nice wealthy countries to pay them badly. The US brought in a law to stop Mexicans driving in the US and it doesn't work, we tried to stop Bulgarians
Lets pay them more, seems fair.
Back on inflation, for the last 2 years or more we have interest rates at SFA to try and keep the economy going, this has meant that the stock market has booooomed and capital is very cheap. Yes we will finally get inflation and then interest rates will curb it. So hold onto your hats for the bumpy ride.
During my 40 years in the construction industry I was only ever involved in one job that was designed in imperial units (the wonderfully inappropriately named paradise circus, on the Birmingham inner ring road).
If somebody asks me my height I say six feet, if somebody asks my weight I say mind your own business. And lets be honest, who in their right mind is going to brag to their new girlfriend that they have a 200mm appendage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 8:46:11 GMT
I spent my early years designing machine tools, we still had designers in the team who insisted on designing shafts to 25.4mm round because they wanted an inch of steel but had to design in metric.
When at school I spent a happy afternoon visiting the guy who designed the Hubble telescope mirrors. He worked in metric, the USA team who built the structure worked in imperial, the rest is history.
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Post by shimself on Sept 29, 2021 8:55:57 GMT
I spent my early years designing machine tools, we still had designers in the team who insisted on designing shafts to 25.4mm round because they wanted an inch of steel but had to design in metric.
When at school I spent a happy afternoon visiting the guy who designed the Hubble telescope mirrors. He worked in metric, the USA team who built the structure worked in imperial, the rest is history.
I can't find it now, but I remember that there was a legitimate different conversion, 25.3977 sort of thing. Which was in use until, I suppose, the international agreement in 1959. I genuinely had a quarrel with an American business about it.
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Sept 29, 2021 9:39:11 GMT
I remember in the late 60's being told the Unions were kicking off at the local council as joiners were being asked to work to 1/10 of an inch, then they went metric and were happy to work to 1 mm.
in all honesty though I do think doing maths in Pounds Shillings and Pence made kids more capable in the subject,
and what is John Paid if he works 4 hours and 20 minutes at £3/17/6 seems to be much harder than what is Beryl paid if she works 4.33 hours at £3.875
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Sept 29, 2021 18:25:49 GMT
ok i think most on this forum are not exactly young and may look at the past with distorted rose tinted lenses , however anybody who wishes to return to non si units i invite to calculate the following.
£3 16s 7p and 3 farthings times 17
i have just tryed to do it and make it £65 2s 11p 3 farthings , um i may be correct i kind of wonder. However what chance do you think the average 19 year old counter hand you see could even start. Sorry si is here and here to stay we may and the next couple generations may talk and slip between old and new units but the old ways will in due time have as much relavance in currency as the sovereign has to teenagers today its over.
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Post by travolta on Sept 29, 2021 19:00:43 GMT
Sovereign has a lot of relevance to old/young as it is portable gold :-) and if you buy it at the right time .............
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Sept 29, 2021 19:37:51 GMT
yes i will give you its tradeable value as a measure of a standard weight of standard quality gold , but is it really currency. Do not think it very usable down at tesco and its denomination value is oddly lower than its intrinsic metal worth. Unlike all our other currency who,s intrinsic value is near zero compared to the face value. 20 shillings , £1 , is its value at face, not a good deal at point of sale. To 90% of the popuation it is an irrelevance , i had to google to find it was issued as a 20 bob coin if it is still legal tender is it a quid you would get for it in exchange at the bank?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 29, 2021 19:53:39 GMT
yes i will give you its tradeable value as a measure of a standard weight of standard quality gold , but is it really currency. Do not think it very usable down at tesco and its denomination value is oddly lower than its intrinsic metal worth. Unlike all our other currency who,s intrinsic value is near zero compared to the face value. 20 shillings , £1 , is its value at face, not a good deal at point of sale. To 90% of the popuation it is an irrelevance , i had to google to find it was issued as a 20 bob coin if it is still legal tender is it a quid you would get for it in exchange at the bank? Usually they have a value equivalent to the weight of gold if the sovereign is classed as bullion, but can have a much higher value if it is old and/or in good condition and/or with a rare date.
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Post by littleoldlady on Sept 30, 2021 7:08:54 GMT
ok i think most on this forum are not exactly young and may look at the past with distorted rose tinted lenses , however anybody who wishes to return to non si units i invite to calculate the following. £3 16s 7p and 3 farthings times 17 i have just tryed to do it and make it £65 2s 11p 3 farthings , um i may be correct i kind of wonder. However what chance do you think the average 19 year old counter hand you see could even start. Sorry si is here and here to stay we may and the next couple generations may talk and slip between old and new units but the old ways will in due time have as much relavance in currency as the sovereign has to teenagers today its over. When did currency become measured in SI units? The irony is that at roughly the same time that we switched to decimal currency, making calculations like yours much easier, we also switched to tills, calculators and computers doing all the calculation so we gained no benefit from the change. As for SI units, the same point largely applies, not much calculation is done by the brain. What we lost was any relationship between the units and real world dimensions with which we are familiar, such as body parts, stride length etc. Spelling is not your strong point is it, but don't worry, computers will do a spell check for you.
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Post by jonno on Sept 30, 2021 9:01:33 GMT
ok i think most on this forum are not exactly young and may look at the past with distorted rose tinted lenses , however anybody who wishes to return to non si units i invite to calculate the following. £3 16s 7p and 3 farthings times 17 i have just tryed to do it and make it £65 2s 11p 3 farthings , um i may be correct i kind of wonder. However what chance do you think the average 19 year old counter hand you see could even start. Sorry si is here and here to stay we may and the next couple generations may talk and slip between old and new units but the old ways will in due time have as much relavance in currency as the sovereign has to teenagers today its over. When did currency become measured in SI units? The irony is that at roughly the same time that we switched to decimal currency, making calculations like yours much easier, we also switched to tills, calculators and computers doing all the calculation so we gained no benefit from the change. As for SI units, the same point largely applies, not much calculation is done by the brain. What we lost was any relationship between the units and real world dimensions with which we are familiar, such as body parts, stride length etc. Spelling is not your strong point is it, but don't worry, computers will do a spell check for you. Mmm..............appears not to work for miserable crustaceans or should that be krustashians?
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Sept 30, 2021 10:34:37 GMT
ok i think most on this forum are not exactly young and may look at the past with distorted rose tinted lenses , however anybody who wishes to return to non si units i invite to calculate the following. £3 16s 7p and 3 farthings times 17 i have just tryed to do it and make it £65 2s 11p 3 farthings , um i may be correct i kind of wonder. However what chance do you think the average 19 year old counter hand you see could even start. Sorry si is here and here to stay we may and the next couple generations may talk and slip between old and new units but the old ways will in due time have as much relavance in currency as the sovereign has to teenagers today its over. £3 16 7 3 farthings time 17 51 farthings, 12D to carry over and 3 farthings 119 D plus the 12 131, 10 shillings to carry over and 11D 272 s plus the 10 282, 14 pounds to carry over and 2 shillings 51 £ plus the 14 65 so £65 2 11 3 farthings is correct
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Post by adrianc on Sept 30, 2021 18:40:20 GMT
in all honesty though I do think doing maths in Pounds Shillings and Pence made kids more capable in the subject, Probably more Clive Sinclair's fault, for having the temerity to introduce pocket calculators.
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 30, 2021 22:35:47 GMT
I spent my early years designing machine tools, we still had designers in the team who insisted on designing shafts to 25.4mm round because they wanted an inch of steel but had to design in metric.
When at school I spent a happy afternoon visiting the guy who designed the Hubble telescope mirrors. He worked in metric, the USA team who built the structure worked in imperial, the rest is history.
I can't find it now, but I remember that there was a legitimate different conversion, 25.3977 sort of thing. Which was in use until, I suppose, the international agreement in 1959. I genuinely had a quarrel with an American business about it. 25.400051mm....... until 1930s apparently:- www.metric-conversions.org/length/inches-to-millimeters.htm
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