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Post by martin44 on Sept 21, 2021 22:16:20 GMT
The cops need to move in now..... these idiots are out of control... bring back swampy.
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Post by keitha on Sept 22, 2021 10:22:32 GMT
my understanding is simple
Pedestrians are not allowed on motorways therefore nick the lot of them.
hopefully the injunction today will help.
I agree homes should be insulated grants and schemes have been available for years these lot seem to be demanding it be done whether you want it or not
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Post by agent69 on Sept 22, 2021 10:49:23 GMT
I don't have a lot of time for Extinction Rebellion. Last yer Emma Thompson flew first class from Los Angeles to London to address a climate change rally, then within a couple of days was on another first class flight going the other way.
When the average B list celebrity is asked when they will start flying economy to help climate change they all go quiet. Bunch of Hypocrites.
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Post by macq on Sept 22, 2021 12:44:20 GMT
It would seem from stories in the media including surveyors,local news & BBC that people having used the grant to spray expanding foam their loft have also had it recommend to do the underside of the roof pitches.Its reported that mortgage lenders are increasingly refusing to lend on property with spray foam as it can cause problems especially if the loft has been foamed completely or are asking for work to be done first such as removing foam or repairs to roof or eaves True or not it might be worth checking first
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 22, 2021 13:12:59 GMT
It would seem from stories in the media including surveyors,local news & BBC that people having used the grant to spray expanding foam their loft have also had it recommend to do the underside of the roof pitches.Its reported that mortgage lenders are increasingly refusing to lend on property with spray foam as it can cause problems especially if the loft has been foamed completely or are asking for work to be done first such as removing foam or repairs to roof or eaves True or not it might be worth checking first If they do it wrongly you don't get the air flow you need, you get damp and then the wood in the roof can rot.
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Post by stan88 on Sept 22, 2021 13:24:05 GMT
Just before the pandemic I went to a meeting about climate change. They had a lot of groups that came forward and spoke for about 10 minutes, I had gone to listen to some groups taking about investment opportunities. I was surprised to hear that there were other groups with more radical views. Some were calling for housing stock to be brought up to a higher energy efficient level, carbon taxes to pay for it, but also some other ideas which surprised me. Ban lawns, only allow people to have one dog or cat and send all migrants back to their country of origin regardless of how bad that might be because there carbon footprint would be higher if they stayed. However their was two young men who thought that in the end only extreme action would work and seem to be suggesting a form of eco terrorism. I think most of us listening were amazed by it, one thing for sure a few people holding up traffic on the M25 maybe nothing compared to what may be coming.
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Post by macq on Sept 22, 2021 13:27:15 GMT
It would seem from stories in the media including surveyors,local news & BBC that people having used the grant to spray expanding foam their loft have also had it recommend to do the underside of the roof pitches.Its reported that mortgage lenders are increasingly refusing to lend on property with spray foam as it can cause problems especially if the loft has been foamed completely or are asking for work to be done first such as removing foam or repairs to roof or eaves True or not it might be worth checking first If they do it wrongly you don't get the air flow you need, you get damp and then the wood in the roof can rot. Agree that would be the problem they are talking about - but its not that its necessarily wrong (but could be as well) more that it was considered the right or at least ok way to spray under the eaves/roof in the past.But some surveyors on-line are saying banks/bs etc are now just looking at the words foam spray on their reports and not how its been done as more of a knee jerk reaction at the moment
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Post by archie on Sept 22, 2021 13:41:59 GMT
If they do it wrongly you don't get the air flow you need, you get damp and then the wood in the roof can rot. Agree that would be the problem they are talking about - but its not that its necessarily wrong (but could be as well) more that it was considered the right or at least ok way to spray under the eaves/roof in the past.But some surveyors on-line are saying banks/bs etc are now just looking at the words foam spray on their reports and not how its been done as more of a knee jerk reaction at the moment There is a scam going around. We have loft insulation provided free by local council. Scam calls ring up and say the council insulation can cause damp and offer free inspection. If you fall for it, they will offer to foam spray the loft but charge you. I'm not surprised banks/bs are against it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 13:42:53 GMT
We have had a pandemic and some people have said "I refuse to be vaccinated because my aunt nelly told me...."
These people are fools and yet we put up with them in our society and are now providing them with free medical services because of their un-vaccinated state.
The planet is in crisis (hold on, where is aunt nelly.....) no really, 200 countries have signed off to this, so don't BS me with I'm not prepared to do my bit see above.
There are some low hanging fruit that just need to be taken, and by everyone, a bit like a vaccine.
So get your house insulated, and get it done correctly. My local council did mine and they did it well and it works well. That idiots do it wrong does not mean it should not be done, it merely means that people should do it right.
There is some higher hanging fruit. Like Fossil Fueled cars (but my aunt nelly said having a car that travels 400 miles on a fill-up is my god given right) please.... save me from these people
So, please when you next have to replace your car look at battery and hydrogen, think how often do i need to travel a long way and could i hire a FF car for that or just travel a bit slower and fill up with hydrogen or power. (some can and some can't)
That ER feel that they should risk prison to bring this to our attention, says as much about our attention as their fear of climate change.
I could go on, but not today.
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Post by archie on Sept 22, 2021 13:43:32 GMT
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Post by Mike on Sept 22, 2021 14:13:54 GMT
I could go on, but not today.
Money will talk over you anyway, so there's little point. The only way people go green is if/when it makes financial sense. Insulation for example typically saves money in the long term, and EVs are attractive now (I have one) because they cost almost nothing to run and have very low 1% BIK rate. Because of that everyone cheers for the removal of ICE vehicles. But if electricity costs soar and EVs cost more than their ICE counterparts to run even before the fuel duty is replaced with something that includes EVs; then it won't be such a vote winner and expect it to be shelved. Money money money.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 22, 2021 14:15:49 GMT
If they do it wrongly you don't get the air flow you need, you get damp and then the wood in the roof can rot. Agree that would be the problem they are talking about - but its not that its necessarily wrong (but could be as well) more that it was considered the right or at least ok way to spray under the eaves/roof in the past.But some surveyors on-line are saying banks/bs etc are now just looking at the words foam spray on their reports and not how its been done as more of a knee jerk reaction at the moment I agree each case should be considered individually, but normally I don't think you should block the eaves and the insulation should be on the ceiling of the rooms below rather than under the pitched roof. But once you start doing both, filling the pitched roof as well as the ceilings you are likely to be in trouble. The roof space has to be well ventilated, but that is counter intuitive when you are talking about insulation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 15:14:29 GMT
I could go on, but not today.
Money will talk over you anyway, so there's little point. The only way people go green is if/when it makes financial sense. Insulation for example typically saves money in the long term, and EVs are attractive now (I have one) because they cost almost nothing to run and have very low 1% BIK rate. Because of that everyone cheers for the removal of ICE vehicles. But if electricity costs soar and EVs cost more than their ICE counterparts to run even before the fuel duty is replaced with something that includes EVs; then it won't be such a vote winner and expect it to be shelved. Money money money. International carbon tax at $80/tonne
The Iceland carbon sequestration project (the only working one in the world is storing carbon for about E1000/tonne price (not cost)
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Post by keitha on Sept 22, 2021 15:19:41 GMT
Someone Checked No Wall insulation Single glazed windows, apparently his response was it was too expensive
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Post by macq on Sept 22, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
Agree that would be the problem they are talking about - but its not that its necessarily wrong (but could be as well) more that it was considered the right or at least ok way to spray under the eaves/roof in the past.But some surveyors on-line are saying banks/bs etc are now just looking at the words foam spray on their reports and not how its been done as more of a knee jerk reaction at the moment I agree each case should be considered individually, but normally I don't think you should block the eaves and the insulation should be on the ceiling of the rooms below rather than under the pitched roof. But once you start doing both, filling the pitched roof as well as the ceilings you are likely to be in trouble. The roof space has to be well ventilated, but that is counter intuitive when you are talking about insulation. Seen it on a couple of consumer shows but a quick search of spray foam insulation & mortgages seems to bring many cases including one search from the Which site (called Spray Foam Insulation Explained) and even has a picture of somebody spraying under the roof.The gist on the BBC some weeks back was that it was not shoddy/cowboy work but more a case of what was considered "good" practice a few years back has been shown not to be (but in hindsight it should have seemed obvious)
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