cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jun 6, 2016 17:20:47 GMT
Well... Savingstream mooted that they were going to offer some different types of loans.. A potential graveyard... We've gone from superyacht, to houses, to nursing homes.... and now we're at the end of the spectrum with a potential graveyard
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Post by jimbob on Jun 6, 2016 17:21:37 GMT
Well... Savingstream mooted that they were going to offer some different types of loans.. A potential graveyard... We've gone from superyacht, to houses, to nursing home.... and now we're at the end of the spectrum with a potential graveyard The Graveyard in the Garden Centre
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Post by MarkT on Jun 6, 2016 17:23:44 GMT
Well... Savingstream mooted that they were going to offer some different types of loans.. A potential graveyard... We've gone from superyacht, to houses, to nursing home.... and now we're at the end of the spectrum with a potential graveyard The Graveyard in the Garden Centre Maybe they are aspiring to provide a 'cradle to grave' service.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jun 6, 2016 17:45:15 GMT
The Graveyard in the Garden Centre Maybe they are aspiring to provide a 'cradle to grave' service. Nursery to grave...
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Jun 6, 2016 17:52:19 GMT
The graveyard charge £15k to lease a plot for 50 years! So after 50 years they dig you up and put you in the trash, ready for the next person. Sounds crazy.
The worry is that they can't refinance this loan.
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Post by gurberly on Jun 6, 2016 18:12:43 GMT
Strategy and Purpose of Borrowing/ Objective
The purpose of the loan is to purchase the site and offer it as a cemetery, for which there is very strong demand from the local community. Some initial purchases of leases on burial plots have already been agreed.
Each burial plot is priced at £15,000 for a 50 year lease post-burial, with longer leases available. There are c27,000 burial plots over the 22 acres (average site density nationally is 1250 burial plots per acre). The site could potentially generate c£400m of income every 50 years from sales of burial plot leases.
Many individuals pay in advance for a burial plot over the course of the latter half of their lifetimes rather upon death i.e. £100 per month to reserve a specific plot within the cemetery. Many families want to be buried close to each other and will often acquire nearby burial plots for future use.
/********************************************************************* The customer is quite confident that he will be able to sell enough plots to generate sufficient capital to repay us within our loan term. **********************************************************************/
Quick check for names, locations.... OK
Reads like a fairy story!!!
Yes I know there is a shortage of burial plots, but pleeeease....
Can someone do the maths for me. How many people need to buy a plot... in advance.... to repay the loan?
And the population of the Essex town R******* is???
As an aside, would you pay £100pcm just to reserve a plot?
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Post by justdabbling on Jun 6, 2016 18:33:41 GMT
The proposed price for the plots is much higher than suggested in this:
Each plot should have a standard fixed price and an average lease time of 75 to 100 years. One-off maintenance fees may also be applicable in order to manage the land. The average cost of a cemetery burial plot is between £750 and £950; while the average cost of a ash plot is £450. Help with Funeral Costs (UK) | Everything you need to know funeralcostshelp.co.uk
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Post by mikes1531 on Jun 6, 2016 18:37:59 GMT
Can someone do the maths for me. How many people need to buy a plot... in advance.... to repay the loan? And the population of the Essex town R******* is??? As an aside, would you pay £100pcm just to reserve a plot? Selling £400 plots at £15k each would produce £6M of proceeds, which is more than the amount of the loan, though more sales would be required to provide development funding. Wikipedia says R****** population is 12,500. I haven't a clue whether there are other cemeteries nearby. If not, this one could draw business from surrounding communities. If the alternative is paying out £15k, then £100pcm might be preferable. (Put the £15k into SS and earn £150pcm of interest! Unless you're a higher-rate taxpayer, you could pay the tax and still have something left for a beer -- or whatever.) And if delaying the purchase means the 50-year clock doesn't start running, that could be another advantage.
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moist
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Post by moist on Jun 6, 2016 18:39:57 GMT
interesting figures, plots currently advertised for £2k freehold........
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Post by dualinvestor on Jun 6, 2016 18:46:38 GMT
Can someone do the maths for me. How many people need to buy a plot... in advance.... to repay the loan? And the population of the Essex town R******* is??? As an aside, would you pay £100pcm just to reserve a plot? Selling £400 plots at £15k each would produce £6M of proceeds, which is more than the amount of the loan, though more sales would be required to provide development funding. Wikipedia says R****** population is 12,500. I haven't a clue whether there are other cemeteries nearby. If not, this one could draw business from surrounding communities. If the alternative is paying out £15k, then £100pcm might be preferable. (Put the £15k into SS and earn £150pcm of interest! Unless you're a higher-rate taxpayer, you could pay the tax and still have something left for a beer -- or whatever.) And if delaying the purchase means the 50-year clock doesn't start running, that could be another advantage. R******* is part of a borough that has a population in excess of 200k. It is not very far from the City of London cemetry (6 of which were established in the 19th century) that I believe has plenty of space. The local churchyards are probably full and their cemetries are likely classified a closed, i.e. no more burials allowed, I am not aware of any other graveyards but there is a very large crematorium close by.
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Post by holmesy999 on Jun 6, 2016 18:51:25 GMT
I am not aware on the brexit - leave / remain policies on cemetery plots......
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jcb208
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Post by jcb208 on Jun 6, 2016 19:17:48 GMT
Can not see how any normal cemetery plot can cost £15k more like £4-5k max
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Post by dualinvestor on Jun 6, 2016 19:25:49 GMT
From the local council web site
There is no room for new graves at ******** or R******* cemeteries. You can purchase the exclusive rights of burial for new graves in ********* and ********* cemeteries.
No prices but seemingly, from other councils and cemetries, much less tha £15,000, more like £3/4,000
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jun 6, 2016 20:20:08 GMT
The local churchyards are probably full In that area, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the "demographic change" mentioned was related to ethnic and religious origins - large populations of people for whom churchyards would hold little interest, and crematoria even less.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 6, 2016 20:24:41 GMT
I'm not interested in no graveyard, reminds me of what my wife said to me a couple of weeks ago,...
"Well.. you made your will.. don't you think it's time to do the decent thing"
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