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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 26, 2023 14:35:47 GMT
Yes, foundation is one of the key issue in the UK. It’s almost no point learning times table when students struggle to do addition and have no concept of place value. But these are the outcomes of “poor” learning, not the cause. agree entirely. Which is my point.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Jan 26, 2023 15:04:37 GMT
I would mostly agree with that. I do however think that the saying ' It takes a village to raise a child' is probably a better option.Every interaction with a child is a teaching opportunity (and indeed a learning one), the trick is to not let them know you are doing it. but preferably without lessons being led by the Badly Drawn Stickman .... I was aware there was a possible issue as I typed it. Even looked at it for a short while, then just went with the flow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 15:37:52 GMT
i don't see any reason not to let a child know you are helping it, it is not some sort of placebo affect
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Post by travolta on Jan 26, 2023 16:00:45 GMT
The reaction from most Brits is why should I do someone else's job? (Even when it comes down to saving their own money). 'If they are fool enough to save it .We can tax it '
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Post by benaj on Jan 26, 2023 16:06:51 GMT
'If they are fool enough to save it .We can tax it ' Tax free spending or even interest-free borrowing are better alternatives?
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Post by hazellend on Jan 26, 2023 16:49:16 GMT
Depends if you think financial independence or reliance on the state is more important Obviously the former, which is one reason why the reforms advocated in the paper would be a good idea. The ISA tax break is just as much government spending as handouts are. Why should the relatively well off (already financially independent or well on the way to being so) be sponging off the state? Help to Save, which the paper favours, is about spending money where it is needed: helping those who find it difficult to save anything at all, and getting them into the savings habit. ISAs over a modest level are a waste of government money. I’m a bit dubious of help to save. Don’t people lose entitlement to benefits once they have 16k of non pension savings?
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Post by overthehill on Jan 26, 2023 17:10:06 GMT
Obviously the former, which is one reason why the reforms advocated in the paper would be a good idea. The ISA tax break is just as much government spending as handouts are. Why should the relatively well off (already financially independent or well on the way to being so) be sponging off the state? Help to Save, which the paper favours, is about spending money where it is needed: helping those who find it difficult to save anything at all, and getting them into the savings habit. ISAs over a modest level are a waste of government money. I’m a bit dubious of help to save. Don’t people lose entitlement to benefits once they have 16k of non pension savings?
last time i checked help to save was a maximum of 50pm for 4 years, 2400 + 1200 bonus.
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Post by james100 on Jan 26, 2023 18:43:25 GMT
Obviously the former, which is one reason why the reforms advocated in the paper would be a good idea. The ISA tax break is just as much government spending as handouts are. Why should the relatively well off (already financially independent or well on the way to being so) be sponging off the state? Help to Save, which the paper favours, is about spending money where it is needed: helping those who find it difficult to save anything at all, and getting them into the savings habit. ISAs over a modest level are a waste of government money. I’m a bit dubious of help to save. Don’t people lose entitlement to benefits once they have 16k of non pension savings? I'm not sure what the exact amount is, but any analysis of whether a savings scheme targeted at lower wealth/income groups acts as an incentive to save surely needs to consider any corresponding disincentive. Edit: www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/benefits/problems-with-benefits/how-do-savings-and-lump-sum-pay-outs-affect-benefits looks like you are right. Also appears that as usual that sacred cow of owner occupied property is disregarded
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 26, 2023 23:26:12 GMT
Agreed 100%. After a few weeks at the local secondary school, my intelligent daughter, hungry to learn, reported that the first half of every maths lesson was spent with the teacher trying to stop the boys running across their desks, literally running amok. By the time the teacher managed to get them seated and start any teaching, half the lesson time had passed. This school typically burned through 2 or 3 maths teachers ever year, the poor devils. Luckily we got her into a much better school where she thrived, was their highest A-level achiever the year she finished, and went on to a degree and PhD. This was a sought-after ex-grammar, where the kids appreciated they were lucky to be there and therefore behaved for fear of being busted to a normal school. At her original school, I suspect she'd have barely scraped a low pass. The social reformers who did away with the slipper and cane have an awful lot to answer for. We're seeing the results of that particular experiment now.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 27, 2023 5:56:20 GMT
Agreed 100%. After a few weeks at the local secondary school, my intelligent daughter, hungry to learn, reported that the first half of every maths lesson was spent with the teacher trying to stop the boys running across their desks, literally running amok. By the time the teacher managed to get them seated and start any teaching, half the lesson time had passed. This school typically burned through 2 or 3 maths teachers ever year, the poor devils. Luckily we got her into a much better school where she thrived, was their highest A-level achiever the year she finished, and went on to a degree and PhD. This was a sought-after ex-grammar, where the kids appreciated they were lucky to be there and therefore behaved for fear of being busted to a normal school. At her original school, I suspect she'd have barely scraped a low pass. The social reformers who did away with the slipper and cane have an awful lot to answer for. We're seeing the results of that particular experiment now. So the school your daughter ended up at had avoided the 'reformation' and hadn't done away with the slipper and cane, and this was the reason for the better discipline and learning environment ?
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Post by keitha on Jan 27, 2023 11:42:27 GMT
Luckily we got her into a much better school where she thrived, was their highest A-level achiever the year she finished, and went on to a degree and PhD. This was a sought-after ex-grammar, where the kids appreciated they were lucky to be there and therefore behaved for fear of being busted to a normal school. At her original school, I suspect she'd have barely scraped a low pass. The social reformers who did away with the slipper and cane have an awful lot to answer for. We're seeing the results of that particular experiment now. It's worse here in Wales where parents are now banned from spanking their own kids, to be honest I believe the behaviour has got worse in that last 2-3 years. In the last week I've heard a child of maybe 6 call his mum a "fat old C***" More and more young teens are tearing around the streets on stripped down motorbikes with no helmets etc. Police have been told not to try to stop them in case they fall off or hit another vehicle and get injured. Shoplifting by kids is so bad most local shops only allow 2 in at a time. talking to a friend who is a primary teacher they are getting 4 year olds at school still in nappies, and she says the majority can't use a spoon let alone a knife and fork, it seems to many parents think teaching kids to use a knife and fork, ie shoes etc etc is all part of a teachers job.
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