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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 26, 2024 18:07:19 GMT
To me it shows what a mess the tax system is in. Needs vastly simplifying.I suspect Angela's problem is not so much she broke some rules some years ago when as a lawmaker she ought to conduct her own affairs to the highest standard. No I don't think that's it. Its that she is representing some of the poorest people in the country - they probably don't like to see her talking about which house she was living in. Of course the Tories are often far, far wealthier but they represent different interests. The tax system definitely needs simplifying. However I think the Rayner case is a poor example of that. Having a (potential) CGT liability on the sale of assets, but not including your primary residence, is both simple and logical. And dare I say that as long as one accepts the principle of CG on property in general* then having an exemption on your primary residence and only your primary residence is not just logical but also reasonable. *We can all argue till the cows come home as to which particular taxes are reasonable and which are inequitable, but that is a different story. And pretty much all taxes have their downsides and unintended consequences, but as long as you believe in some form of state and government they are a necessity.
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Post by james100 on Apr 26, 2024 19:02:42 GMT
The original report was never just about CGT although there was certainly some lazy journalism around which reduced it to that. www.lordashcroft.com/2024/02/hypocrite-rayners-48k-profit-on-council-house-sale/ kind of sums the original 'story' up, and reactions have made it worse IMO as well as the fact her husband did a similar thing. Entitlement to private residence relief within a marriage is clear enough (HS283) and it was either complied with or not. Likewise, actual residency is a matter of fact and there's nothing complex there either. Anyway, the ball's in her court but she doesn't get to throw it across the playground at the nasty gang she refers to as "s-c-u-m" and run away without raising some (easy) questions, that's all. |
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 26, 2024 19:22:15 GMT
I also think as good labour people the fact they both got money out of right to buy (a despised by labour Tory policy) which presumably they objected to on principle, sticks in the throat of people struggling to get into council housing.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 26, 2024 21:57:54 GMT
I also think as good labour people the fact they both got money out of right to buy (a despised by labour Tory policy) which presumably they objected to on principle, sticks in the throat of people struggling to get into council housing. Quick question... Which general election manifesto was the first to introduce the right to buy council housing? Answer: Labour, 1959... The issue isn't the right to buy. The issue is that local authorities can't replace the stock.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 27, 2024 12:45:58 GMT
I also think as good labour people the fact they both got money out of right to buy (a despised by labour Tory policy) which presumably they objected to on principle, sticks in the throat of people struggling to get into council housing. Quick question... Which general election manifesto was the first to introduce the right to buy council housing? Answer: Labour, 1959... The issue isn't the right to buy. The issue is that local authorities can't replace the stock. The 1959 change didn't give the right to buy, just a possibility to buy, which already existed in a limited way from 1936 apparently. '1.1 Before ‘right to buy’
Legislation on the construction and sale of local authority housing was introduced from the end of the first world war onwards:
The Housing, Town Planning, &c. Act 1919 introduced council housing to the UK for the first time.
The Housing Act 1936 permitted local authorities to sell their social housing stock to tenants with ministerial consent.
The House Purchase and Housing Act 1959 removed the requirement of ministerial consent for sale. Tenants were still unable to purchase their home without agreement from the local authority.
1.2 Housing Act 1980
In 1980, the then government passed legislation which enabled many local authority tenants to buy their home at a discounted rate. This followed a pledge in the 1979 Conservative Party manifesto to give local authority tenants the ‘right to buy’ their own home. The manifesto said that helping people into home ownership was one of party’s “five tasks”. After winning the subsequent general election, the new Conservative government introduced the Housing Act 1980. This act gave the tenants of over 5mn local authority houses in England and Wales the right to purchase their home.....'
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Post by adrianc on Apr 27, 2024 16:27:10 GMT
Quick question... Which general election manifesto was the first to introduce the right to buy council housing? Answer: Labour, 1959... The issue isn't the right to buy. The issue is that local authorities can't replace the stock. The 1959 change didn't give the right to buy, just a possibility to buy, which already existed in a limited way from 1936 apparently. '1.1 Before ‘right to buy’
Legislation on the construction and sale of local authority housing was introduced from the end of the first world war onwards:
The Housing, Town Planning, &c. Act 1919 introduced council housing to the UK for the first time.
The Housing Act 1936 permitted local authorities to sell their social housing stock to tenants with ministerial consent.
The House Purchase and Housing Act 1959 removed the requirement of ministerial consent for sale. Tenants were still unable to purchase their home without agreement from the local authority.
1.2 Housing Act 1980
In 1980, the then government passed legislation which enabled many local authority tenants to buy their home at a discounted rate. This followed a pledge in the 1979 Conservative Party manifesto to give local authority tenants the ‘right to buy’ their own home. The manifesto said that helping people into home ownership was one of party’s “five tasks”. After winning the subsequent general election, the new Conservative government introduced the Housing Act 1980. This act gave the tenants of over 5mn local authority houses in England and Wales the right to purchase their home.....'1959 was a Labour manifesto pledge. They lost the election. It didn't happen. www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1959/1959-labour-manifesto.shtml"Housing
Labour's policy has two aims: to help people buy their own homes and to ensure an adequate supply of decent houses to let at a fair rent.
As a first step we shall repeal the Rent Act, restore security of tenure to decontrolled houses, stop further decontrol, and ensure fair rents by giving a right of appeal to rent tribunals.
The return of a Tory Government would mean further rent increases and the decontrol of many more houses. We say this despite the official Tory assurance that there will be no decontrol during the life of the next Parliament-for we remember what happened last time.
During the 1955 Election Mr. Bevan prophesied that rents of controlled houses would be increased if the Conservatives came back to power. Two days later the Conservative Central Office denied this, and said there was no truth in his statement. In 1957 the Conservative Government introduced the Rent Act.
Under the Tories, home purchasers have been subject to unpredictable and burden-some increases of interest rates. Labour will bring interest rates down. We shall also reform leasehold law to enable leaseholders with long leases to buy their own homes.
Council building of rented houses has been slashed under the Tories chiefly as a result of higher interest rates and the abolition of the general housing subsidy. We shall reverse their policy by restoring the subsidy and providing cheaper money for housing purposes. We shall encourage councils to press on with slum clearance.
At the last count there were seven million households in Britain with no bath, and over three million sharing or entirely without a w.c. The Tories have tried to induce private land lords to improve their property by means of public grants, with very small success. Labour's plan is that, with reasonable exceptions, local councils shall take over houses which were rent-controlled before 1 January, 1956, and are still tenanted. They will repair and modernise these houses and let them at fair rents. This is a big job which will take time and its speed will vary according to local conditions.
Every tenant, however, will have a chance first to buy from the Council the house he lives in; and all Council tenants in future will enjoy the same security of tenure as rent-restricted tenants."
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Post by agent69 on Apr 27, 2024 16:58:02 GMT
Another rat deserting a sinking ship?
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Apr 27, 2024 20:52:46 GMT
Has everyone sorted out their Voter ID for the elections
I'm a postal
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Post by agent69 on Apr 27, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
Has everyone sorted out their Voter ID for the elections
I'm a postal
It's just police and crime commissioners elections down our way next week. Already chucked my postal ballot in the bin.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 27, 2024 22:51:03 GMT
I don't bother with the main ballot where my vote counts for 1 in 100,000 or so.
I pay £2.09 every month which gives me the right to a 1 in 100 (for an MP) or 1 in 15 (for a councillor) plus I get the candidate(s) bending over backwards to secure my vote.
Great democracy we have.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 28, 2024 7:23:21 GMT
I don't bother with the main ballot where my vote counts for 1 in 100,000 or so. I pay £2.09 every month which gives me the right to a 1 in 100 (for an MP) or 1 in 15 (for a councillor) plus I get the candidate(s) bending over backwards to secure my vote. Great democracy we have. then next time insist that any candidate for selection is an ardent supporter of changing from the FPTP system to some more proportional system before giving them your vote.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 28, 2024 7:38:00 GMT
Has everyone sorted out their Voter ID for the elections We're all the kind of people who will have perfectly acceptable photo ID already - passports, driving licences. We're not the ones that the blatant attempt at disenfranchisement and gerrymandering is aimed at. Only Police & Crime Commissioner round here, too. One candidate from each of the main four parties, plus one from a hate-based extremist party. We've had precisely zero from any of the main four, my mother (lives in the same area) has had just one from the bigot. Looking at the online promises, they're all for good things and against bad things, except for the one who's against lots of good things.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 28, 2024 8:50:13 GMT
Has everyone sorted out their Voter ID for the elections We're all the kind of people who will have perfectly acceptable photo ID already - passports, driving licences. Youngsters
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Post by adrianc on Apr 28, 2024 8:57:05 GMT
We're all the kind of people who will have perfectly acceptable photo ID already - passports, driving licences. Youngsters All the oldiewonks have photocards. Everybody who's reached 70... (Also everybody who's changed address in the last quarter of a century)
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