ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 29, 2024 13:45:04 GMT
I've bolded the second half of the sentence you conveniently missed off the first time you posted. May I repeat... "If you're relying on "but there are plans..." to state that the initial capacity of 200 per year is somehow "nonsense", then I admire your optimism." May I also repeat... "So what do you think the capacity is? What are your sources?" Doesnt matter as they will all be in Ireland anyway  Unfortunately the Irish have discovered that an open border isnt as wonderful as they thought and that return to sender isnt an option without an EU returns agreement as the UK has to deal with the EU as a whole apparently. Perhaps there is something in the GFA/CTA ti supersede the EU
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Post by michaelc on Apr 29, 2024 14:41:16 GMT
May I repeat... "If you're relying on "but there are plans..." to state that the initial capacity of 200 per year is somehow "nonsense", then I admire your optimism." May I also repeat... "So what do you think the capacity is? What are your sources?" Doesnt matter as they will all be in Ireland anyway Unfortunately the Irish have discovered that an open border isnt as wonderful as they thought and that return to sender isnt an option without an EU returns agreement as the UK has to deal with the EU as a whole apparently. Perhaps there is something in the GFA/CTA ti supersede the EU One thing I've wondered is if there essentially is no border north/south how can anyone return anyone anywhere even if there is an agreement?
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Post by agent69 on Apr 29, 2024 16:18:35 GMT
Doesnt matter as they will all be in Ireland anyway Unfortunately the Irish have discovered that an open border isnt as wonderful as they thought and that return to sender isnt an option without an EU returns agreement as the UK has to deal with the EU as a whole apparently. Perhaps there is something in the GFA/CTA ti supersede the EU One thing I've wondered is if there essentially is no border north/south how can anyone return anyone anywhere even if there is an agreement? And even if they were returned to UK, there is nothing to stop them heading over the border a second time as soon as they are released.
I think the Government south of the border are currently having problems in general, and the 'return to sender' demands are just political posturing.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 29, 2024 17:13:12 GMT
Unfortunately the Irish have discovered that an open border isnt as wonderful as they thought and that return to sender isnt an option without an EU returns agreement as the UK has to deal with the EU as a whole apparently. Another knock-on of the UK leaving the EU, and the Dublin Regulations and the Common European Asylum System... Reunification of the island would, of course, resolve the issue without breaching the GFA. Of course, if the UK had stayed within the Dublin Regs and CEAS, it would have been so much easier to send "small boats" back to France, as it was when they came over in the backs of trucks.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 29, 2024 17:32:41 GMT
Unfortunately the Irish have discovered that an open border isnt as wonderful as they thought and that return to sender isnt an option without an EU returns agreement as the UK has to deal with the EU as a whole apparently. Another knock-on of the UK leaving the EU, and the Dublin Regulations and the Common European Asylum System... Reunification of the island would, of course, resolve the issue without breaching the GFA. Of course, if the UK had stayed within the Dublin Regs and CEAS, it would have been so much easier to send "small boats" back to France, as it was when they came over in the backs of trucks. Was that an option? AIUI only EU states can be members of D3/CEAS though Norway, Switzerland & Iceland have separate agreements to apply it in their territories. Asylum did not form part of the negotiating positions of either parties. The UK government put forward proposals for an agreement on child reunions & readmission of irregular residents (ie a returns agreement) though not sure if this was specifically related to asylum seekers. The EU side did not offer proposals as it was outside its remit. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/The UK has sort to negotiate an agreement and the Irish issue would appear to give them some leverage.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 30, 2024 7:55:42 GMT
Why are people so desperate to get to the UK from Europe that they are willing to risk dying? What is so bad about living in Europe? Serious question. I really don't understand it. if I was stuck in France and couldn't get back to the UK (ever) I would not be so desperate as to get in an inflatable boat and try to cross the channel, at risk of life and limb. ... On the positive incentive front. I'd suggest two things. ..... Second: ability to get lost in the system. Pretty much every European country operates a national identity card system. Guess which country doesn't ? It's ridiculous. On many many levels. in fact its more than ridiculous. Its a travesty. And of course how we deal with illegals when they are here. I recall my (ex police) wife regaling me of tales of illegal immigrants being picked up by the van load. Taken to a police station. Possibly fingerprints taken. And then released on bail with a requirement to show up somewhere, maybe a police station, in a weeks time or so. Because there was nothing else the police could do with them. I mean it beggars belief. Our system is broken, like so many aspects of the UK. and right on cue....from The Times yesterday: "Home Office lost contact with thousands set for Rwanda flights".....A document quietly slipped out by the department states that more than 5,700 migrants had been identified for removal. However, only 2,145 of them “continue to report to the Home Office and can be located for detention,” the document said......
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Post by overthehill on Apr 30, 2024 21:29:54 GMT
This is what a patriotic and effective government does to protect UK life, culture and citizens from authoritarian governments, disinformation and outside interference.
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Post by captainconfident on May 1, 2024 22:47:09 GMT
How would not wanting to use a particular toilet lead to getting a urinary tract infection? This laughable basis for changing government policy has been reported unchallenged by the biased MSM, where Kemi Badenoch has been active today tackling the best issue she could think of to get reelected. Turns out Badenoch got this absurd idea second hand from the idiot MP for Walsall who had spotted a mixed use toilet at the Walsall Academy.
"The traditional toilet blocks were still available nearby for students to use, and that the new block had been designed using feedback from students to improve their safety."
“The students said that they felt safer with the open-plan nature of the toilets, as some had experienced bullying in ‘closed’-style toilets previously. This was also the feedback from the parent group,”
Walsall Academy spokesperson.
So in this tale, the girl who didn't want to use the mixed use toilet must have picked up the UTI from using the nearby girls toilets. Nobody pointed that out. If you can in fact get a uti from a toilet. Which nobody asked either.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 1, 2024 23:18:28 GMT
How would not wanting to use a particular toilet lead to getting a urinary tract infection? This laughable basis for changing government policy has been reported unchallenged by the biased MSM, where Kemi Badenoch has been active today tackling the best issue she could think of to get reelected. Turns out Badenoch got this absurd idea second hand from the idiot MP for Walsall who had spotted a mixed use toilet at the Walsall Academy. "The traditional toilet blocks were still available nearby for students to use, and that the new block had been designed using feedback from students to improve their safety."“The students said that they felt safer with the open-plan nature of the toilets, as some had experienced bullying in ‘closed’-style toilets previously. This was also the feedback from the parent group,”
Walsall Academy spokesperson. So in this tale, the girl who didn't want to use the mixed use toilet must have picked up the UTI from using the nearby girls toilets. Nobody pointed that out. If you can in fact get a uti from a toilet. Which nobody asked either. Its the Guardian I assume so the story is being reported from a particular angle ... other papers seem to add more detail which makes it clearer. UTI from not drinking enough to avoid going to the toilet. The MP reportedly raised issue after contact from parents & pupils. There is no change in government policy, its existing equality legislation. The point being made is that it is not necessarily being applied correctly by institutions out of concern over backlash. The change in policy I assume you are referring to relates to the NHS as proposed by Victoria Atkins, Health Secretary, for single sex wards and private rooms ... which seems problematic given there were 44,000 breaches of the mixed ward ban last year.
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Post by benaj on May 2, 2024 8:50:17 GMT
Would Voter ID brings a new element of surprises?
I went to the polling station this morning for casting 3 votes for 3 different things. No queues, My ID was checked by one person and other two people were double checking their sheets before handing out the papers to me.
Anyway, I spent almost 10 mins there and heard at least 4 people didn’t bring the acceptable ID.
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Post by captainconfident on May 2, 2024 9:01:44 GMT
Would Voter ID brings a new element of surprises? I went to the polling station this morning for casting 3 votes for 3 different things. No queues, My ID was checked by one person and other two people were double checking their sheets before handing out the papers to me. Anyway, I spent almost 10 mins there and heard at least 4 people didn’t bring the acceptable ID. Maybe those four were the imposters, and government policy is going as planned?
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Post by adrianc on May 2, 2024 23:07:10 GMT
Would Voter ID brings a new element of surprises? I went to the polling station this morning for casting 3 votes for 3 different things. No queues, My ID was checked by one person and other two people were double checking their sheets before handing out the papers to me. Anyway, I spent almost 10 mins there and heard at least 4 people didn’t bring the acceptable ID. At least one current Tory MP has been turned away, and one recent-ex Tory MP... Any bets they tried to play the "But don't you know who I am?" card? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-elections-polling-station-b2538777.html(Oh, and ex-military veteran ID is not on the list...)
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Post by benaj on May 3, 2024 5:37:27 GMT
Definitely a surprise to me when the person introduced the rule, got caught by the referee and tried to break the rule like the lockdown time.
Not sure if it was deliberate but let see the results what this voter ID bring
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Post by adrianc on May 3, 2024 8:10:23 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on May 3, 2024 11:28:50 GMT
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