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Post by adrianc on Jun 10, 2024 13:44:17 GMT
Can somebody remind me where Ms Le Pen sits regarding closer integration withthe rest of Europe? Well, she dropped "frexit" (frortie?) as a policy in about 2017 for some reason. Can't think what may have convinced her it was unwise.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 10, 2024 13:47:11 GMT
"A Reform UK candidate claimed the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".
In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin."Seems in line with party views generally. "A Reform spokesman said the comments were not "endorsements" but "written with an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths", while his remarks about women were "tongue in cheek"."Uh-huh. Of course they were, Nige. (Does RefUK have any other spokespeople?) Meanwhile, another of their candidates wishes they'd shut up about immigration, because she thinks the electorate wants to hear about their other policies. Do they have any others? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqqzjn7vlko
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Post by agent69 on Jun 10, 2024 14:23:26 GMT
In fairness, it must be a nightmare for any political party to comb through the history of perspective candidates to check they haven't said anything embarassing in the past.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 10, 2024 14:30:55 GMT
Can somebody remind me where Ms Le Pen sits regarding closer integration withthe rest of Europe? Well, she dropped "frexit" (frortie?) as a policy in about 2017 for some reason. Can't think what may have convinced her it was unwise.
Because her hero Putin and his Brexit dream, interference and funding with admirable help from Labour didn't quite work out as he was expecting in Ukraine so I'm guessing he calculated France would be similar and the plan changed.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 10, 2024 14:57:48 GMT
Ha! I thought that attempt by the beeb to control the agenda would come up. I'm going to stick to the question though. I don't think it is. Because if that is extreme right what is a policy of "send 'em back" ? Or even internment ? Ultra-extreme right? No, the phrase has clearly been watered down.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 10, 2024 17:41:43 GMT
Ha! I thought that attempt by the beeb to control the agenda would come up. I'm going to stick to the question though. I don't think it is. Because if that is extreme right what is a policy of "send 'em back" ? Or even internment ? Ultra-extreme right? No, the phrase has clearly been watered down. If Farage isn't, do you think Meloni or Le Pen or Orban are? Laurence Fox? Do you believe Putin's allegations that Zelensky is a neo-nazi?
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Post by michaelc on Jun 10, 2024 20:26:39 GMT
Ha! I thought that attempt by the beeb to control the agenda would come up. I'm going to stick to the question though. I don't think it is. Because if that is extreme right what is a policy of "send 'em back" ? Or even internment ? Ultra-extreme right? No, the phrase has clearly been watered down. If Farage isn't, do you think Meloni or Le Pen or Orban are? Laurence Fox? Do you believe Putin's allegations that Zelensky is a neo-nazi? Le Pen's father possibly/probably was. But tell me if Farage is "extreme right" where does Nick Griffin sit on that scale?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 11, 2024 6:20:11 GMT
It is going to be interesting to see if the left wing in this country still want to rejoin the EU if it becomes a hotbed of far right politics.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 11, 2024 6:45:31 GMT
It is going to be interesting to see if the left wing in this country still want to rejoin the EU if it becomes a hotbed of far right politics. I thought a good portion of the "left wing in this country" wanted to either never join, or to leave when we were in.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 11, 2024 6:50:26 GMT
It is going to be interesting to see if the left wing in this country still want to rejoin the EU if it becomes a hotbed of far right politics. I thought a good portion of the "left wing in this country" wanted to either never join, or to leave when we were in. I am not talking about the socialist left wing like Corbyn and Galloway, I am talking about the Pseudo-Religious-Globalist left wing like Starmer.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 11, 2024 7:21:37 GMT
But tell me if Farage is "extreme right" where does Nick Griffin sit on that scale? The scale measures the normal socially-acceptable political spectrum. Overt racism is not part of that. Unfortunately, the covert racism of Farridge et al is.
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Post by benaj on Jun 11, 2024 7:28:30 GMT
Well, it seems our democratic process in voting leads to disastrous outcomes in the last decade.
I didn’t vote leave and yet many people has been misled about the “leave” and yet the government supports the “leave” couldn’t make it work.
Would the next generation election outcome disappoint voters again from all sides?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 11, 2024 7:45:46 GMT
Is it just me, or does this election feel like that the Parties, but particularly the Conservatives, are just making up policy on the hoof ? Depending on which way the wind is blowing on any given day. How on earth does the party in power which controls when it calls the GE, go into the campaigning period without an 'oven ready'* manifesto ?
*I mean I know they completely re-defined the meaning of "oven ready" in an Orwellian double speak way, but I'm on a one person campaign to revert it's meaning to that which was once commonly accepted.
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Post by keitha on Jun 11, 2024 9:37:17 GMT
One thing that intrigued me yesterday was "an expert" on BBC the world at one saying the move right in Europe is being driven by younger voters, whereas we have exactly the opposite here.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 11, 2024 10:47:19 GMT
*I mean I know they completely re-defined the meaning of "oven ready" The problem is that there is only a small gap between 'oven ready' and 'half baked'
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